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Joe shrimp shack savor the wood. One more thing guys, we have a couple different giveaways to tell you about. Number one, reflowers and Cobalt aquatics are doing a giveaway. They have an aquascape contest. Certainly go to aquariumgyspodcast.com on the bottom of the website. You will see the contest there. For aquascape contest. Anybody is allowed to put in for the aquascape contest. It can be any size tank all they're welcome submit your picture and the grand prize will be an 18 gallon all in one aquarium system from cobalt aquatics with including either reef flowers, freshwater fertilizers or marine chemicals depending on which one you so choose. So certainly send your planted tank or reef tank pictures to the contest. Again, thank you very much to reef flowers and cobalt aquatics which you can use promo code aquarium guys at checkout at both stores for 25% off your entire order at checkout. Don't miss out. And also J four flower horns is still giving away a prize flowerhorn. You can also set up at the bottom of the website aquariumguyspodcast.com. And again you can use promo code aquarium guys at checkout for J four flowerhorn's website as well for I believe 10% off. Thanks guys and let's kick that podcast. Welcome to the aquarium guys podcast with your host Jim colby and Rob golson. Hey guys, welcome to the podcast. So I think this is going to be we prerecorded our episodes, right? So this is going to be closest to Halloween, I think so. where's your wig, Jimmy?

I couldn't hear through the headphones.

I don't want to hear it, man. So I think Jimmy like episode 30s or 40s said that we had to wear wigs for Halloween or something because he wanted to dress up like rock bands. So I did not take it as normally Jimmy would. He was in a mullet wig for 80s hair band. I however have the classic emo wig on.

I looked like ellie May from the beverly Hibberies. That's who I look like, right?

I thought we had ofr on his guest tonight.

Yay, you never know. You never know. Well, again, I'm your host, Rob dawson.

I'm Jim colby.

And I'm Adam ella Shire.

This week, we're tickled pink to have Dr. Fish episode three. The doctors in the house. You all james, welcome to the party.

Well, I thank you. Happy to be here.

Now, for those that have not been in prior installments of Dr. Fish, james is the head of Fish Health, if you will, at seagris Farms, the largest wholesaler of tropical fish in the United States. And we're just tickled pink to have him on. He's basically the fish version of Dr. Phil. He just has more hair.

He has a lot more hair.

A lot more hair. On the back, on the back, on the back. James, again, thanks so much for having us. And a big thank you to seagrass Farms, who allowed him to come and do this on a regular basis with us. It's been a while. That is mainly our fault. We're busy people. We had to order wigs. I just get the scowl. Look, this was your idea, man. Don't give me that.

Yeah, we're all going to wear dresses in episode 47 hey, Beach turtles episode, doesn't it? Exactly.

All right, so like we do every week, we're going to dive into a couple sent in questions. Now, what we do for Dr. Fish is you can go to aquariumgistpodcast.com. On the bottom of the website, you'll find our discord link. That's where we go on, do a live chatting. Essentially, it's like a fan site where we can all help each other with our community tanks and we do a lot of fun hanging out. And that's where we record the podcast live. So if you want to join this live, do that. And we're also now starting to do this on twitch twitch Tvaquariumguys. Check us out. You'll see the wigs, you actually get to see our face. And I sold our soul to the devil this week, Jimmy.

Yes, you did. And for that you will go straight to hell. While you were anyway, I guess after.

You deal with HR, you know, this black mascara and the lipstick didn't come in on time, so I'm kind of actually upset, but I figured I'm going there anyway. So we decided, because we're getting better so much by people, to add our podcast to YouTube. Yes, we finally did it. And I only put 27 episodes up. We're still converting them, putting them up as much as we can. Out of that, I think we got only eleven copyright notices. You're welcome. Who knew that making a little reference to breeding jokes and playing stuff like lionel ritchie and marvin gaye would get us copywritten? I didn't know that.

I hope we could serve some papers because I was about to be served by somebody so I could frame that put on my wall.

Wouldn't that just be like our milestone moment? It would.

It's kind of like sheldon from Big Bang Theory. When he has all his cease and assist from Leonard nimoy and all those guys, right?

So we'll put that on the wall. But no, come join the debauchery and we save these Doctor Fish questions because again, this is a recurring episodes that we do. So next will be episode four. So if you have these crazy, we want you to like, stump Dr. Fish because if he doesn't know, we're going to find out and pull it back to the next episode. So, you know, if you truly stump him, we'll put you in for a drawing for a prize.

Maybe we should give him that wig that you're wearing.

Maybe some wig, fingernail polish and mascara.

There we go, Jim.

We'll make it a kit.

If it's all used, it's because it's robbie's personal stash.

That's right.

We did a bunch of questions last week, but we still got more in. We love you keeping them coming in. You can email, text, however, but this one is aidan says, hey guys, love the podcast and your willingness to help. I have blue, really neocardine shrimp in a tank approximately from a year ago. They started off great multiplied to approximately 30 ish shrimp. I noticed a sharp decline in my population. I have also noticed some of my shrimps have a dark spot on the top of them near their head. I did some research and I think they have black spot disease. I have not found a good answer for treatment and wanted to know what you guys suggest. Other tank inhabitants are two mono shrimp, a mixture of snails including ramshorn one near right, and Malaysian trumpet snails, aka pea puffer food. It's a planted tank and it has some hair algae. I'm working on controlling parameters are 8.2, ammonia zero, nitrate zero, and nitrate high at five. I appreciate any help on the appreciate any help and I love the podcast. So you also sent us a picture and a top angle of your shrimp. I provided Adam and the doctor in the house with these pictures and again, this one was one that we got earlier in the week. So I decided to send this to our own expert in house, joe Shrimp Shack. I have shrimp. I don't have a ton of disease. I don't have a lot of issues with shrimp. They're not common to get ick. So disease for me has been a few and far between issue. I've seen a couple of other people have it, but it's always parameter based. So I sent it in the expert because again, if we can't figure it out, we're going to find someone. And Joe had a recommendation that he directly sent me. I'm pulling it up here. Tell him to do a rodi water change. The PH is super high and from what the pictures show, best guess is shell deformity is what he's seen on a more common basis. So again, if you see blotches, especially towards the head where essentially the shell starts. It could be a lot of symptoms. I have a lot of shrimp that have been given to me and they've had a lot of blotchiness and then after a molt, they're clear. So I don't know if that where they came from. Had better water parameters, but he's saying that he's seeing a shell deformity change to Rodi dropping that PH. Certainly work on that. Otherwise, doctor, do you have any recommendations from that picture and the information you've heard?

Really? That's probably going to be the best route if it is indeed a parasite issue. Unfortunately, most crustaceans don't take treatments very well. Formula is about the safest thing to use on them. Maybe some salts and stuff. But PH is quite a bit high for those shrimp. I would say lower to mid seven.

Neocardenia can take higher PH than the cardinal shrimp for sure. Like mine are probably seven, eight. But maybe missing water changes. You said you already have some hair algae. There may be other bacteria in the water as well. Rodi just ensures to drop it and remove any purities. And honestly, that's just his way of promoting you to change the water, get on it.

I would say that's some pretty solid advice there.

He probably needs a bigger tank, right?

More tanks.

Some of the weird remedies I've heard, and even Joe has mentioned this in certain issues in the past for like rust spots is what they call it, is like dog dewormer.

Can you give that to them?

I hear people doing it. This is not us formally giving you a recommendation, but more of that side knowledge. Kind of like how people use vodka to remove ammonia from their water.

Yeah, most wormers are going to be safe for most of your tank inhabitants, although Ivctin can be pretty toxic.

Well, thank you again for the question. Again, if you have more, send it to us before we get into the list of questions for Doctor. Doctor, how have you been, man? We haven't talked to you in a while. Our audience wants to know what's new in your world?

Been doing great, I think I'm fully recovered from COVID Wonderful. All my energy back and back at work. Not sure if everybody knows, but the fish business is booming all around the world. It's not just here in the Us, but we've actually got more business than we can handle right now. So good thing.

Hey, take away Carnival cruises and people want to do stuff indoors, you know what I mean?

Absolutely.

I'm just latter because I said that.

I just had a conversation with my people that supply crickets and they are.

How are they doing?

Are they hopping?

They are so hopping that they have not sold anything for two weeks because they are so oversold and they have been out of crickets for cheapest. 21 days I haven't had crickets and they just called today. So they'll have crickets next week and stuff, but they are turning people away because everybody has gotten into reptiles and whatnot, and their sales have increased so dramatically they can't keep up. And so the people like myself who have a standing order, we're the only ones getting crickets next week. Anybody else that doesn't normally have a standing order won't even get crickets next week. that'd be four weeks. And this happened a couple of weeks ago or a couple of months ago, too, where for a few weeks, they didn't have crickets because of the supply. The demand always the supply so much.

So what we're doing is we're going to start a cricket farm.

Yeah. In your hair, actually. In your hair, robby.

Yeah, in my hair. It'll be great. suspenders will get pickup trucks for no apparent reason other than the tax write.

Off and a toothpick and some bovarrells.

Yeah.

If we want to do this, we can do this. Like I'm not even kidding.

Yeah, I mean, I tell you what, I talked to her today at length, and she goes she's been spending 45, 50 phone calls a day saying, I can't get you your order this week.

Wait, did you talk to the nice one, Jim, or you know who?

I talked to the nice one.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

So in other news, number one, James. Well, we're happy to have you back. Glad to hear business is booming. And thanks again. In other news, I talked to you about the sadness of my tank leaking out last episode, right? Oh, your tank, right, my tank.

I saw your wife cleaning it up. Yeah, I didn't see you so much cleaning it up.

Hey, I was up until all hours of the morning, sir.

Yeah, right.

And still there. And now my stands ruined. But in better news, apparently we've now become local famous. So we had people messaging us on Facebook, our social medias, through the aquarium guys, normal means. But now I got someone messaged me on Facebook saying, hey, found out you guys are in the area. I've already been listening to the podcast, wanted to see if you got food supplies on hand. So yeah, we got some blood worms.

For me, jimmy sure do wonderful in my back pocket.

And then she got her hooked up with Joe Shrimp Shack. And there's some shrimp food on the way as well. So if you're in the local area and you want to meet somebody, go to jimmy's house, not mine.

That's what I want. I want fans out of the driveway.

Right. Don't worry, we'll hold your address hostage for years.

You can Google it if you want it.

You can giggle. It on the inner tubes. For those that don't know, right, we have a merch store. At the beginning of the podcast, when we started the merch store, I said that if we made our quota, we would get an aquarium guy's crop top. And I model it we never made the quota in time, but here is the aquarium guy's crop top for those online. It is like nothing, isn't it? It's like a lion cloth at best.

It's like for a twelve year old girl.

Well, apparently there's a friend of mine.

She didn't even let a twelve year old girl wear that one.

Shout out to tina from the psychedelic podcast. She's going to be coming up to visit us to see if Minnesota is right for her. And she said she wanted some macquarie Guys memorabilia, so that crop top is on her. What should we make for different goals? You mean since they didn't get the crop top, I figured we better make Adam dress up in something. Like if we make our milestone, we'll send Adam something. bandanna. Aquarium guy with bandana.

Why?

Adam needs to take one for the team.

Yeah, because you're the prettiest of us all.

Absolutely. You're man candy.

I mean, where do you talk with seekers? PR department. And they said we can't dress up James and bummer.

Yeah, I hear you.

All right, well, shall we start the party off? Before we start it, did you bring any questions or just want to read the user submissions first?

I got nothing for you, man. I just showed up today.

You got nothing. You're just here smiling and took off the wig. Yeah, you party pooper. So where we left off last time is does replacing biotope in aquarium really help fish live a long and happy life? I've never lived in such regions that the fish are Ie versus tank raised, let's say Cardinal tetris having the matching biotope versus, say, a separate decorated tank with at least some decor. Why is the native biotope better? Or do you disagree with that?

No, actually I would agree with it. I don't know that it's going to improve the health of the fish in particular, but it will increase the well being of the fish. If you look to the five freedoms of animal welfare, a fish that's in the wild, even though it wasn't grown in the wild, is going to be more at home because it's in there genetically. Still, even if they were raised I.

Mean, my argument is, if they're tank raised, they've never seen their natural habitat. You at least know that the safest bet is where they come from. You're not going to do it wrong where anything else could be a risk. If you don't know someone's done it before or you're trying to come up with something unique, you know, that their home habitats, at least what they came from. You're not going to do anything bad to them doing that.

Absolutely. Especially if you're just talking the aesthetic points. Because tank raised fish well, let's take discus, for instance. Most tank raised discus when they're growing them by the thousands, they're doing probably 100% water changes a day in these tanks. And they're not doing soft water, they're not controlling it at all. Whatever water comes in is the water that's coming in. And when our discus come in, they're shipped in water in the eights. We get it down in the low, in the low sevens, but other than that, they do fine. You don't have to adjust it down to 4.0 just because they're a discus.

Wonderful. All right, next question. The next item up for biz we have why is there a hole in my fish and how should I treat it? I'm assuming it's some kind of antimicrobial. And I sent you Dr. And Adam. Both pictures. We got that guy right there, Jimmy.

I think that fish has a naval piercing.

Yeah, that looks like it's a spring break. scars for sure.

Spring break, yeah, that's what happens. You go to Florida and drink beer on the beach.

What's your thought, Doctor?

Yeah, that's more than likely a bacterial infection. Hard to say what type of infection that might be without actually culturing the bacteria. Salt. Salt, salt, salt.

Salted up, boys. I mean, you could have predicted that one, right, Jimmy?

Salt and a new tank.

Salt another tank. That's always what it is. Honestly, it looks like he stuck a piece of gum to its bottom fin. It's kind of an interesting little growth there for sure, but all right, next question. If you can choose one medication over all others, what would it be in Y? Salt.

Because it's $3 for £40.

Well played, sir. Well played.

That's my first go to always. No need to be throwing chemicals, harsh chemicals in anything, oxidizers at, anything, especially if you're not sure what it is to begin with. Definitely don't want to be throwing antibiotics in something that doesn't need antibiotics on it salt. Also, if you have any nitrite problems, you're going to be able to combat that with salt. And another thing great about salt, it's really easy to get it out of the water too.

Wonderful. I just want to point out that we've had a couple of people message us with memes. Like if your food tastes bad and your fish is bad, add salt. Well, I'm a person that adds ranch, so don't do that to your fish. Just putting that out there.

There is one disclaimer I'd add about salt, though. I think I mentioned in the last podcast about killing all my plants because I added salt when I did. Water changes, but guppies and brackish, so they're okay, but my plant is not so much. So know when to add your salt.

If you're super planted and those particular plants are sensitive to salt, that's what we have. Quarantine tanks, be smart. tub it up. Rubber made totes go a long way. Cycle them through with some sponge filters. Make sure the heat is properly done, lit it, keep them dark. Dark lowers stress as well. All right, next one. What are common problems with that plague? Breeders, live breeders are egg layers and how can we set ourselves up for success? Are there different differences versus large scale and small scale? I feel like this is a huge question, and it actually was put up by scrap a while ago.

Yeah, that's a great question. Water quality. Okay, number one, actually, a lot of breeding is controlled by PH or temperature. So if you're talking about breeding, you really want to be on your water quality for predation by the cohorts and their parents for libearers. Definitely want to keep an eye on that. Like molly's. I've seen molly's eat molly's while they're being born. Another molly will chase after the female, and while she's popping babies out, the other molly's gobbling them up.

It's just food dispensers.

Absolutely.

Like a pez dispenser?

Yeah. Similar.

So you suggest more salt for that? Take a little pelts of salt and throw it at the other molly.

Speaking of breeding and stylist gun, speaking.

Of breeding, scraps perks right up.

Well, since it was one of my old questions, I've probably come a little ways since I posted that question. I even forgot about that. I spent a lot of time looking at my 40 breeder, where it's all the guppies, and I noticed one female that had, like, this little weird thing on her belly, and I finally caught her. It looked like this little jelly, almost like how an egg clutch looks from, like, snails. But it was on her belly, and I didn't know what it was, so I took her out, and I put her in with the front of those as a call. I was like, I don't know what that is, but it's gone. I didn't know if you knew what maybe something like that would be or something. Some kind of weird growth like that. You've seen something that looked like the little piece of gel with a thing in the middle of it.

Really not sure without seeing it. Unfortunately.

That's like calling your doctor on the phone and be like, you know, I have this thing on my lower extremities, and I'm concerned. Do I cut it off? I need to see you in the office.

You never cut anything off on your send pictures.

Ever send pictures? Scrap is what we're saying.

But fungal and or bacterial infections on the eggs, that's something you really have to watch for. Definitely want to have the optimal feeds for each stage of life, from fry to adult. Very different. Large scale versus small scale. Just incredibly different. Lots of people people can breed small batches of fish. It's a whole another thing when you're trying to breed 100,000 of those fish. Many fishes just aren't viable candidates for successful capital breeding, especially at a large scale. You just need too much space, too much time. A great example of know how is that neon tetras weren't even commercially bred until in the Us. Until the 90s. My best friend and I, he was working at seacrest back then we would bring the neons in from Asia, bag them up and get them sent over to the breeders. So most of the neons in the industry today come from those fish we brought in about 18 years ago.

Huh.

Have you noticed any genetic problems yet with those neons since they've been bred or have you tried to outcross at.

All or well, yeah, yeah, they bring yeah, it's that that's I mean, they've brought in more since then and they trade back and forth. That way you get that hybrid vigor and that new blood.

What's a telltale sign that you would need to bring new genetics into your pool.

Lots of deformities, scoliosis, lordosis, stuff like that, missing operculum, anything like that. That's consistent for the listeners that are.

Now trying to Google operculum. Can you tell them what that is?

That's the gill cover.

Is that a common genetic problem?

It can be. That one can be a vitamin deficiency as well. Same thing with lordosis and scoliosis.

Scoliosis is like calcium, right? That's calcium deficiency.

It can be. Right.

I'm going to have a flintstone vitamin after this just to celebrate.

Versus toleosis is when you stub your toe on the bedroom dresser. That's toleosis.

Excellent.

Oh, yeah.

One with a claw feet that stick out just far enough to catch you when you're in the dark.

Two in the morning as you're going up to the bathroom. That just hurts.

Can diagnose.

Hey, quick question, Dr. Fish. The neons that are being bred in Florida, are they doing that in tanks or can you tell us a little bit how that's being done commercially?

They do them in giant, giant, giant vats.

Like those big cement vats?

Yes, correct. Yeah. Burial vats.

When you bury your loved ones and the cassette goes in that cement vault.

Well, see, we're up in north, right? So we just bury them directly in the dirt and put them in a little coffin, right? Yeah.

It makes grass grow better, raise grass grow better.

But down south, heaven forbid, they bury people in coffins down there and they have a flood. Then you see grandma ethel floating down the river. You don't need that happening. So they need to cement that shit up so they make big old vaults.

I thought they used mausoleum because the.

Only time orland yeah, that's for above ground.

Above ground, right.

When they put them in the ground, it's actually a burial that yeah.

So just to make sure that the only time grandma ethel is going to visit is when she's still kicking, you know what I mean?

That actually happens in Louisiana quite often, actually.

Grandma comes back, they float right out the mausoleum. The doors are open.

All right, tiny further tangent on this, right? I didn't know this and how I figured this out. I saw some news article, like, oh, I suspected flooding in this state. And all these, you know, coffins are popping up and I started googling it. Sure enough, there's like, some dude that on YouTube. I can't find the video now. It's probably removed because everybody hates this type of video. And literally, the dude's taking a picture of the flood outside of his house and it's basically a river in the street in front of him and there's like seven coffins, and he's, like, betting him on, like, race horses. He's like, Come on, give him the black one. He's, like, announcing it like it's some, like, Calgary downs.

That's brutal.

And that still didn't answer my question about breeding eons. But thanks a lot for going off into the ditch on that one.

Hey, we're here for you. We're here for you.

So, yeah, the one time I did go down to 5d down in Florida and stuff, they have rows and rows and rows and rows and rows of those cement what do you call them? Dr fish. What do they call that?

They're burial vets.

Burial vets, yeah. And what's nice about those two is they probably don't ever move during a hurricane.

I assume they're low cost.

Right, they're low cost. So do they breed those fish right in the tank? And how do they collect the eggs?

Now, that part I'm not privy to because I don't work on that farm. And some of that's well guarded secrets.

Obviously, that smells like an episode to have with a breeder there, Jimmy.

Yeah, maybe. But yeah, and then they move them from fat to fat as they grow bigger and as they pull the coals, and then we get them and send them to you.

Off they go. What's your next question?

They've got some guy that just his whole job is to catch a little tiny neon tetras out of a six foot VAT and then figure out the calls.

Yeah, absolutely. I actually used to do that with the baby glow daniels, one by one.

So do you collect babies or you pick up the breeding stock and move them into a different tank?

On the daniels, I was getting the wigglers out of the spawn buckets. They would just spawn those in styros. Like the styro that comes in the fish box?

Yes.

And they'll spawn them in the styro. And then we would collect the wigglers and the eggs out of the styro. And the ones that would fluoresce, we would keep. And the ones that didn't fluoresce, they were food.

Yeah. When I was down to norton's tepid fishery and I think you guys actually own that farm now.

Correct.

They were showing us how they breed the zebra daniels and the styrofoam coolers. And at that time, they had those therophob coolers stacked up and they just had a piece of netting in there. And the zebra daniels were probably only in about two and a half, three inches of water. And so they're egg scatters. And so as they're laying eggs and stuff, the males would fertilize them and. Then eggs would fall down through the netting, and then they were unable to get there and eat the eggs. And I thought that was quite interesting and quite low cost.

That's pretty standard.

All right, so next question on the list. We're going to keep powering through because we got a bunch we still got to get ccts yet. Can you confirm or dispel the authenticity of substrate gas bubbles that release, quote, unquote, toxic ammonia and kill your entire tank? You see this commonly set on forms, but I can never find any real science behind it, nor people that have experienced it.

It's not actually toxic ammonia. What's going on there is deep sand beds, or even just dirty gravel beds. You'll get a build up of anaerobic bacteria down there, they will actually produce hydrogen sulfide. And that's that egg water. If you've ever smelled a well, it usually comes out of shallow wells rather than deep wells. Deep wells are pretty clean. Shallow wells have a lot of hydrogen sulfide in them that is extremely toxic to fish at levels that we can't even smell.

If you can smell it, then you know you're real bad. Oh.

If you can smell it, your fish are going to die.

Okay. Is there any ways to remedy this? Because I heard that helping fizz the water, if it happened while doing a water change can help.

Yeah, you gas it off. Yeah, that's the easiest way.

I've had a couple of times in my own tank where I had a couple that were pretty egg salad, and I'm like, oh, no. And I just threw, like, six stones in there, and I'm, like, crossing my fingers and nothing happened. So I think I got lucky.

Yeah. gassing it off. We pass ours through a pack column or just a big column full of bio balls. You can also use an Air raider or you can use a spray bar.

Perfect. So to prevent this, what do you recommend they do?

Keep your gravel clean all the time. Water changes, water changes, water changes.

What if it's sandwiched? Right? Because the idea is poo and fish food aren't going to fall through fine sand. So what do you recommend for sand?

That's a rough one. I'm not big on deep sand beds. I know some people are, but in my experience, it's too much of a risk.

So I'm a big sand bed guy, right. And what I do and I recommend other people that want to do the big sandbag beds. And there's reasons for specific species, such as, like, horse face loaches, one of the funnest species. You can do three inches of sand is a lot of fun. For them to watch you, like, basically swimming and out of it is a lot of fun. But again, that's a big risk. You get a couple of pieces mixed in of any type of bacteria, and it's going to create those gas bubbles. So you have a couple of different options. Have those fish that will churn up the bottom continually. If you don't make sure that you're taking a stick, a tweezer, and essentially raking out your sand and releasing those bubbles on a regular basis, I recommend it once a month just to make sure that's at least what I do and I don't get the egg salad smell, I don't have any issues with fish. Otherwise you could be terrible. And get yourself Malaysian trumpet snails and they'll dig right to the bottom of your sand and you'll never see them again. They'll take over like an alien invasion.

The burling assassin snails do the same thing.

I have a handful of, like, 65.

Gallon they go down in the assassin snails.

There's a double edged sword there. Assassin snails will but they only will go as far as they can use their I like calling them the elephant trunk. As far as they can breathe, they won't bury themselves to the point that they can't breathe. So if you have three inches, they're not burying that deep. Unlike the trumpet's snails, which will go to the bottom of hell.

Trumpet snails will burrow into your soul.

Yes, they will burrow into your soul.

I hate trumpet sales.

That's what's wrong with Jimmy.

I want an hour and a half of just barking about trumpet snails.

Can we do that?

Yeah.

You know what?

It'D just be you and I, Adam, by ourselves in a closet.

We're just going to have two old men bitching. That's what we're going to call that.

Episode on a park bench.

Not even that old.

I'll bring my diggery do jimmy's complaints.

The episode done. All right, next one. This isn't a question, I think that someone would just trying to find a place to start a conversation. This is a quote unquote rumor because we cannot prove this. Human growth hormone is used in Australia to induce spawning commonly hcg. Do you know anything about this, Doctor?

Yeah, that's actually two different things. Human growth hormone is hgh. Human corianic natotropin is actually what's used for spawning fish.

Excuse me.

Yes, but no, hgh was what was on the question. I've got it here as well. Carpetuatory gland is the most common used for spawning. Also, ganatotropin releasing hormone from both humans and salmon is often used and they have some analogues to that to some man made synthetic versions of the same. And also methyl testosterone is currently used right now to produce higher rates of male tilapia. And we're looking to be able to get that into ornamental fish soon, in Florida, at least.

And what would be the advantage of just doing male fish so people don't have the females to breed and compete?

No. When you're talking food fish, a lot of the males get bigger and faster.

Okay, that makes sense.

Yeah. They want to grow a bunch of males, but for ornamental fish, just to make sure you have the right amount of guppies. That's one thing. One thing that led to the decline of growing guppies here in Florida. Same thing with sore tails. We're losing our males. We've had University of Florida studying it for years and years. Nobody has come up with a real solution to it, unfortunately, or a cause. Only thing I've ever found is there's a couple of papers out of South America that say run off from farming affects the amount of male fish in natural areas in South America. So that might have something to do with it.

Would that be like the excess nitrates in the water from the fertilizer?

I don't think it's the nitrates. I think it's something else more on the chemical side. Yeah, exactly.

Doesn't the PH affect the fish and the general hardness, doesn't that affect it? I remember reading somewhere it's going to.

Depend on the species of fish.

Okay, so it's not just every fish, it just knocks out males and makes you know what I mean?

No, yeah, it's going to be highly species specific.

Okay, I didn't know that. So that is true that some issues you can control the sex of the eggs, the babies based on with general.

Hardness or whatever temperature and PH typically, but other factors can play in as well. Okay.

All right, so I'm going to take a pause there. That's the questions we have in our discord for the aquarium guys. And now I'm going to go to the guest the day again. It's the community tank. They have a discord. They're originally a discord group of just fish people trying to help other fish people. It's a great place to network, especially with COVID when you can't go to all these fish meetings. There's a bunch of fish discords, but this is one that I really keep dear to my heart because I appreciate fish and comedy and these guys do definitely do it. So if you're looking for some fun, go to the community tank. They also have their own little podcast that they do, definitely for adult ears only. I mean, if you think we're the harsh podcast, listen to these guys. They have some fun. But their community decided to get some doctor fish questions together because they're a fan of the doctor, frankly. I mean, it's clearly your charm, your glasses or that sexy voice. We don't know which.

It's the hair. It's the hair.

All right, so the first question is if my mormoid or any other scaleless fish were to get sick with some common fish sickness seen in the hobby, what is the best way of treating it without harming my fish?

Marmorids are tough to treat on the system. We hold our marmorids and we don't use any formula on it. It'll knock them out. Also, no copper in that system ever. No organophosphates, because all three of those are the kiss of death. You can still use your oxidizers, you can use potassium, you can use peroxide menfin, but you are very limited when you're talking more.

The big one that I use is uv filters for IC because IC is the big common one that everybody has and they're scared to get Scalish fish because of it. So whenever I do, I keep a nice size uv filter for the tank and hope and pray and don't get me wrong, uv filters are a great way of treating the tank, but the fish itself is going to have to go through its own cycle of the sores on its body.

Absolutely, yeah. You can't treat the IC that are insisted on the fish. You can only treat them when they're in their free swimming stage. So that uv can be very effective. oversize it. If you can always double, triple, quadruple, whatever, you can afford the biggest uv you can afford.

And if you can't afford other uvs, there's a cheap method. If you have a hang on the back filter, you can buy just the uv light bar and put them in your hang on the back filters. It's around, I think, $1215, easy way of getting it done. But again, it's all about the flow of your hang on the back. If your hang in the back is under filtering your tank, we want you to double filter because we want all the water pushing through that uv filter as much as possible.

Now, overseas, didn't they use like elephant nose to run in their water treatment plants and they would watch them, and if the fish started acting a little strangely, they knew they had a problem. Have you ever heard that?

I'm not sure about the elephant knows. I do know they use sentinel fish in Asia to see if water is dirty or not.

Yeah, I saw something online and this is a few years ago, and it showed an actual, like a water plant office and they had the fish in the aquarium and the water that was being treated went through the aquarium. And if those fish started acting oddly, that's when they would start doing tests and whatnot. And I thought that was kind of interesting. Using nature to help keep an eye on your water quality.

That makes a lot of sense. That's actually the origin of the glofish over in Asia. They use medaka for what you're talking about checking the water and they induced fluorescing genes so that they could see the madaka easier.

And what is the medica?

It's a small fish, like a Daniel.

Okay. I thought it was like a piece of the fish, like the heart or something, so I was just trying to be more thorough, but just showed him a dumbass.

Would you read that next question for me? To me, since you're a dumbass, why.

Can'T I buy fish in Canada?

One above it.

Oh my gosh. What is the best way to treat eposyllus?

Epistylis?

Yeah, that's what I meant. Sure.

There you go. So water quality. Believe it or not, epistylus is a protest, but it's a stock sessile protest. So it doesn't actually feed on your fish. It is a pathogen. It's not a parasite. Where it attaches to the fish is what causes harm to the fish. It actually feeds on the bacteria that are within the fish tank itself. So salt, farmland, pretty much either of those take care of it. Wonderful.

So as Jimmy said before, why can't I buy fish meds in Canada?

Because Canada has shitty rules because they're irresponsible drug addicts.

Well, okay, I feel like that's less of a doctor question. He can't prescribe that Canada has an illness. Why they wouldn't have fish meds, that's more of a political question. But Canada is too focused on maple syrup and we'll leave it at that.

I was going to say you can buy fish meds in Canada. You can't buy fish meds from Canada.

Right. And if you do get any fish to Canada, you have to go through your veterinarian and they have strict regiments and it's a pain in the rear end.

So with this whole COVID thing, has it been tough for you guys to send fish into Canada?

Actually not because of the COVID but there's a lot more import export regulations going to into effect starting this month. So there probably be less importation between the Us. And Canada for a lot of fish.

So is it just certain fish they're not logging into Canada? Because I know up here in Minnesota there are certain things like I can't buy from Julie such as dojo loaches and things that could live up here in our water.

Is that right? Yeah, every state has that and they're all different. You can't sell koi in Maine but people just drive to vermont and buy them there and they come back to Maine.

Those rat bastards over there.

It's kind of silly in a way.

The smuggle is real.

Yeah.

Even live in Minnesota?

Yes. If you want to look up the dojo loach. Can live in Minnesota. And for those that are looking up dojo loach, there's also called weather loach. There are two forms as their native brown form and then there's this more popular aquarium, golden form. And that's what we have in our aquarium. Guys, merch store. If you want to get a penis fish t shirt but go to just Google yourself weather loach in Michigan and you'll find entire lakes that have been completely succumbed to the dojo loach invasion. Like it completely destroyed the entire ecosystem.

Seriously?

Yeah, it's real. hefty in Michigan and this is like north peak of Michigan. They excel in Minnesota climate because they're from really cold areas.

The other thing that kind of blew me away is we're not able to purchase blue crayfish from cigarettes up here in Minnesota because apparently the blue crayfish, I don't know if it's well, they're.

Trying to do all crayfish but there are some limitations that they won't do Mexican dwarf. They'll still let that within reason, but it's mainly because of the red spiny crayfish that is not supposed to live through a Minnesota climate, but somehow is.

Found away, probably burrow themselves out in the mud.

Right. So there's just a lot of different crayfish species, and I don't think they want to be the crayfish police. Like, oh, well, that one's blue, maybe, I don't know, keep it. And then they just get some sort of invasive species. They don't really have lessons from the dnr teaching them what crayfish is. kosher.

Yeah. And all states are wacky like that. Like in Florida, you can't buy and sell reddered sliders in Florida, but you can buy and sell an albino reddit slider in Florida.

The last time I was down in Florida and we went and did the little tour of the different stores and stuff, most stores had read ear sliders for educational purposes only.

Yes, I see what you did there, Jimmy.

Yeah, I see what you did there.

What precautions would it be good to take when buying sensitive wildcaught fish? Like, you got to hit me up with that one, Jimmy. pero. You know what? I'm just going to copy paste that one to doctor. Doctor can do this one, right? Doctor, for sure. They're trying to pronounce that one for me, buddy.

It's more than four letters around, right?

I can't do it. I'm too hungover.

Perros for namo.

Yeah. When buying wildcat of that, how would you go about breeding them and keeping them happy, healthy, long term?

I honestly have to say I'm not familiar with that genus.

What genus?

Paras for namus. I'm assuming it's related to some type of guru me, but I wouldn't quote myself on that.

Yes. genus of garami species native to Southeast Asia. All species highly specialized with heat swamp inhabitants native to Southeast Asia. Males are usually extremely bright. Some of these fish that I've seen in the trade, and again, I haven't done these. They're stunning. They literally look like I'm going to send you a picture there, Doc.

I want to see these.

Yeah, let me say a name.

I want to look this up.

This is amazing. The doc knows it from the top of his head. And then Mr. Google meister over here phones it on the Google right channel.

We're going to giggle it with our inner tubes, if I can giggle it correctly. You know what? I'm just going to grab this, and you can look at the picture. There we go. And paste and paste. And I'm even going to put it in the chat for the rest of people in Discord.

They're beautiful.

That's beautiful. Beautiful.

Yeah. The stuff like that is breathtaking. And if I remember correctly, they almost required Pete. But again, never had these. Not going to lie, I kind of want them. Right?

I would bet that you breed them, them just like a beta, just based on looking at their body shape and the way that that male is courting the female in the little nest. I bet that's exactly what you do is you breed them just like a beta. They are guarantee. So they should be.

I mean bubble nesters. Don't feel bad. He does that to a lot of people when he goes to brings his kids to group outings. Like, yeah, that mom is a bubble nester. Oh, man, I feel like I'm getting dirty looks.

You know what? I'm going to find some of these, breed them, and then I'm going to tell you to go.

Fluke off. There you go.

Fluke.

You fluke me. You can go fluke yourself. All right, there we go. But again, any recommendations? You said you haven't had a lot of experience with them.

No, absolutely not.

Honestly, I know they're really not in the trade. I don't know if that's because some of them are sighty species or they're just temperamental know no one wants to put peat in their tank. I really like to find out more.

There's probably a civil war where these things live.

Well, you know what, I'm going to put that one in the running for stump the doctor. We're going to have to put notes on that one to find it later for sure.

Yeah, that'd be great.

Okay, next question. I got to go back to the questions. Oh, hey, can I ask you a quick one? Oh, please.

Have you got any new stuff from Brazil yet? Because Brazil is open, right?

Yes, we've been getting some South American stuff in anything super cool.

You got to give us hints, man.

Have you gotten any of the traditional Brazilian butt floss yet?

Besides the butt floss? Just speaking for James here, we don't mean to pressure you. We understand that the moment you say something, every vendor and their mom are going to call like, hey, we heard on the podcast that we could get this from seagrass. So know that if he says it, it may not be all the way come true.

Right?

Maybe some of the works. Be nice.

Sure. Yeah. We've got some wildly goes on that last shipment. Some nice stuff. Probably about it on that shipment. Pretty much bread and butter stuff. Okay.

Darn.

I was just excited Brazil opened up again.

All right, next question. What are some good preventative measures for making sure your fish don't get sick? I'm going to thumbs down that one. That's what this whole episode is about. You got yeeted. Next question. Have you ever experienced or know any zunotic, the nautic zunok diseases and parasites from feeding insects to fish. I mean extra iron.

But one time I grabbed got crickets.

Yes. Mixed with Zoans can come from even any tube of acid. worm can transfer diseases to fish. So you have to always watch that any tube effects or any of the tube of fiscal's in general.

So what's the risks of that, getting that in your tank?

Well, mixing zoans you can't treat. So if your fish get them, you're pretty stuck. Schistomyces can be transferred from snails. Also, there's a lot of the medicikaria or grubs that can get in your fish from copa pods.

Can they get the worms? Because I know that the worms is.

That your scientific name, Adam?

I have heard now, I have had a friend of mine, he actually got a friend. He said that he got pinworms from cricket, but that wouldn't go into fish.

That I'm not familiar with.

Okay.

Because I just thought I'm like, dude, you're supposed to wash your hands after touching cricket.

Are you asking for yourself, Adam? Is that who your friend is?

No.

Adam, do you have pinworms?

No, I do not.

Okay. Just a friend asking.

All right, just between friends here, right? It's COVID season, so I want you to treat your tank after your hands have been in it and you're ready to go to eat dinner like you just touched a walmart shopping cart. If you can sanitize up, you're ready to go chop your fingers off. All right, next question. What are some ways to cure a microbacteria marine? microbacterium marine? None.

Zero.

Next question. None.

You can't just tell us, like, you're f, dude, bleach your tank. Don't worry about it.

Mycobacterium marinum. Very nasty. Very nasty. Bacteria walls itself off in the fish, so there's no treatment for it that won't kill the fish. Unfortunately, deep hop and starting over is the general route there.

So the way to cure it is don't get it.

Yes. Now, with that said, it's in the environment all over the place. That's what causes what they call fishmongers disease. And some people actually can get it in their hands. It's in both freshwater and marine waters. And typically, most people, if you get it from a fish tank, it's because you had cuts on your hands already, and then you're putting your hands in the water, or you're working on your reef tank, and you're moving your live rock around. Your live rock falls and cuts you real good.

And how do you treat a person for that?

Several courses of intense antibiotics, and usually you have a pretty nasty scar.

Wow, that's crazy.

How often do you see that? Is it a common, or is it just like, a one in a 10,000?

Well, let's hope it's not that common.

I've known two people in my life that have had it. One was associated with work, and the other was a person that I met at a fish symposium.

Did he have, like, a wicked cool scar at least?

Yes.

Excellent. If you at least get some horrible disease that you finally get over, you at least needs some token to be like, that's a great thing to talk about at a party. I'm like, no, seriously, dude, I was scaping a tank, and I almost died.

I can't even imagine how big of a scar I'm going to have from just doing this podcast with you for a year.

Psychological scars don't count, Jimmy.

Oh, I'm good.

Then we should get like, a tequila sponsor or something. vodka. Call us. We'll figure it out.

Ryan Reynolds, give us a collar.

Right? We want some aviation gin. Why did using tweezers to remove IC from my fish harmon? This is a great question. Like my question of the day, buddy. Question of the day. So why are we not to remove ick with tweezers?

Wow.

That was my I told you to prepare for some of these. Now, we're not trying to condemn this person. This person clearly just doesn't know how ick works. So, like 30 seconds.

His name is Tom.

The bomb.

So that might be part of it.

30 seconds or less. Hit him.

The only thing I ever use tweezers for on a fish would be either argulus or Learnia or anchor worm. argulus is fish lice and laria is anchor worm. Those pretty much require either taking them off with your fingers or with tweezers, but it is actually insisted under the skin. It looks like it's on top of the skin, but it's not. It's under their skin. So if you're pulling ick off with tweezers, you're actually ripping holes in the fish's skin, which is going to leave them susceptible to all the nasty bacteria that are in your tank.

All right, so here's one question that's not on the list. I had a message to me and I figured this is a good time to bring it up. Great question. Essentially learn how to how the IC process works and then I'll tell you why we can't use tweezers. But the question at hand that I was sent was, do you know any people that for swim bladder issues or any other issue, use some sort of peripheral to use like a wheelchair for fish? I've seen how they use straws with bobbers to try to keep goldfish upright.

Got too much time in their hands.

There's a couple of rare cases where I've seen it work and telling you why.

Humane euthanasia.

Humane euthanasia.

And what he meant by that, it was by an Oscar.

So I'm with Doc on this, right? Especially because you work in a massive fish warehouse, you're trying to tend to the fish's care needs, putting some sort of contraption on it when you can't watch it, it's probably going to kill it faster and much more harsh. So euthanasia is great. But if you're one of those people that decide that with a swim bladder and you have some weird fantile goldfish and you want to give it a try, know that you now have to sit in front of that tank for the next 3 hours or minimum just to make sure that that's not going to slip and harm your fish.

I have heard for swim butter issues with goldfish that duckweed adding duckweed in your tank and they'll eat the duckweed will help considerably. I've heard that over and over.

I've heard duckweed. I've heard crushed up he's. I mean, there there's a lot of those anecdotal remedies for for stuff like that. And, you know, if it works for you, you know, keep doing it. I don't know that it's really science based.

I'm going to get some pictures and video of this fish wheelchair for Doc, just for the sake of entertainment to share with his friends.

Yeah, he's not in his head. No. Nobody wants to see that.

All right. How does Fish tb present? And what's the actual risk of catching it from your fish?

That's back to your mycobacterium merino and marked off.

Next question. When you get wild caught fish, are there any areas where you find proportionally higher rates of viral infections?

Southeast Asia.

And why?

But just because the mass quantities of fish grown there. As we're doing more and more research, we're finding more and more viruses, and we're finding viruses in wildfish. There really aren't people around, like in South America where the closest town is 300 miles away, or finding new viruses. They're not new viruses, but new to us. Like right now, peacorna viruses are the big one that's getting a lot of study.

And why is that getting a lot of study?

Just because there's money, there's funding for it. It's being jumped on. Unfortunately, because we're on the ornamental side of things, there's not a lot of funding for research like there is for food fit or shrimp production or anything like that. So whenever a grant comes up and somebody specializes in something and can get a hold of one of those grants, they run with it.

Wonderful. Next question is what are my options to treat a tumor?

It's not a tumor tumor.

Yeah, that's a hard one. They can be excised, but it takes a lot of experience and it's really going to depend on where the tumor is located. But definitely have to sedate the fish, which is not an easy task, and then have a lot of experience. Exciting. That would be something. There are fish veterinarians out there that specialize in stuff like that because I've.

Had this question quite a few times before. And number one, is it a malignant tumor? Is it a cancerous tumor? I mean, I don't have the tools. Normally, I'm going to pay the money for a $4 fish to get tested. Honestly, it's just out of my means. So if it does not affect his life, let them live. I've now had one of my Dojo Loaches, which is half the size, live now nine years with a massive tumor out the side of it. I think it hindered its growth. It could not grow any further, but it's lived happy, healthy, and fed. Just passed away a couple of weeks ago. Do your best with what you can. If it is affecting its. Life or you think it's going to make it so it won't live correctly. Contact, like you said, a vet, in most situations, it's most humane to take care of it because if you're in an area that you do not have a vet to take care of, that the risk of you hurting that fish in a worse way than just humanely putting it out is pretty high by an officer.

Yeah, I would agree 100%.

Honestly. I mean, what would you rather do? Put it out humanely or watch it die of its wounds from an operation that you've never done before?

Right?

And just because you slept at a Holiday Inn express last night doesn't mean.

You'Re a doctor does not mean you're a doctor. Okay, next one is how can I cure bloat by brapping a fish? How did I? Excuse me. How did I cure a bloat by brapping a fish?

What the hell is that?

So for those that don't understand this wrapping term, this is used as a meme in a lot of fish communities, how they release a lot of oxygen from their stomach. So I would assume this particular person happened to, in a last dire effort, squeezed their fish, made it released some sort of air pocket in its body, however, wherever and now it's cure.

Why would you wouldn't praise Jesus.

So is there any times where you would quote, squeeze or be wrap a fish to cure it of an ailment.

Only to get out of its shell?

And again, we don't recommend this. We understand that doctor does not recommend you ever wrapping your fish, but has there ever been a time where like, well, a little squeeze just fix the issue?

No, I will say I have tried it a couple of times on some larger marine groupers with no success.

I'm going, Why are you hanging out with marine groupers with fishing man?

Wouldn't the needle kind of work like injecting a needle to the air pocket to pop it? Would that work or no, that would be just as bad.

Yeah, I mean, it's really going to depend on where that air pocket was located. If you hit any major organs while you're sticking a needle in it, that's going to do some serious damage. And you also have to think of the wound site itself for a secondary bacterial infection as well.

I mean, there's so many questions like what's the fish species, for instance, my dojo loaches, they continually fart on a ten minute basis. Are they just bloated by nature and they'll just fart in an hour and I don't have to worry about it? Is it something that has an easily burstable swim bladder? Is that an issue? There's so many questions. Don't brap your fish, just don't do it.

Or else you'll need to buy the make the special handicap bullshit.

Right? Then you'll have to have a wheelchair for your giant fan tail. So don't do that either. But for that, the person that's a message to send. Go to spiritual. Please send us in more information on how you wrap your fish. I need to know more. Why does my bacteria orgasm and why do my shrimp eat it? So he's essentially just making fun that his shrimp or bacteria multiplies in his tank and his shrimp eats it. Because shrimp are disgusting and they like eating bacteria. All right, next question. I told you these are winners. doc, these are good questions here. What is the weirdest here that you've used that wouldn't work but surprised when it did? Like grabbing your fish?

I don't have an answer on that one, I don't think. I think you stumped me there.

All right, you take your time. This is going to be a good answer.

Maybe the oddest thing I've ever done is and it's not really odd and actually quite on accident, left the incoming water and air off on a tank that had some really fish that were going down. The tube went off and left it closed on a Friday and came back Monday, and amazingly, all the fish looked much better.

Interesting. I think the best one that I've done is I went over to a person's place and they had this the only way I could put it was an obese goldfish. The thing looked like it was the Stapuff marshmallow man. It wasn't like a gift. scales were flailed. It was literally a ball. It had, like, a fat mane going around at skill plates. It was crazy. I don't know if it was just bloated or I did follow her feeding regiment. She was feeding the thing every hour on the hour. Every time she walks by, she just like, blesses it with a handful of shit.

Is that what your mom did to you?

That's what happened. I'm telling you right up front. So as a good regiment, I'm like, no, we need to fix this fish. Oh, I don't know what to do. So I said, you have to do a fish feeder. You cannot feed your fish anymore. You're not allowed. I'm taking away those privileges and we're putting in a fish treadmill. So I put a little power head in there, and that little bastard spun for days until he finally figured out that he needs to move. And then he actually did lose a bit. So he lived, I think, another, like, four more years, which is fantastic.

Which is kind of the same story as as what rob's Bob did to him is she moved four blocks further away from McDonald's. Right?

That's all it takes.

He was seven, and he had to walk four blocks farther to get a big man.

I'm like, yeah, I really want a big man. All right, next question. We know that garlic cures vampires, but will it cure ick?

No, garlic does not cure IC.

So you cannot cure egg with garlic?

Guard no.

Adam is a firm believer in garlic.

Guard garlic is good for stimulating a feeding response on fish that you're not able to get to eat easily. But other than that, there's no peer reviewed research or any science to say that garlic will do anything to it.

So I'd like to question your idea. Not that you're an expert here, doc, but I have a firm belief that doesn't care either, because I've treated it over and over and like, oh, you hippies. Throw garlic in there. No, it does not. I've never had it work. But that being said, I have received donated fish from a single person. They came from three tanks. Two of the tanks got ik. All the fish from the third tank that was feeding nothing but exclusively, like garlic based food, did not get IC. So I personally feel like it prevents it at best, or to at least boost the immune system somehow, because those fish did not get ick at all. I was just blown away.

That's very possible.

Or total bullshit.

But as a cure, I don't know, treat like you should have. I have colon cancer. I'm going to drink a lot of water today.

Okay.

So the way I used it was and the way I had understood it, and I read this I don't even remember where, but I'd read it somewhere was that there's that chemical that I don't know if it allison or it's something in the garlic. It builds up in the slime coat, and then it can't penetrate into the slime coat. So it won't necessarily cure it. But if you feed it over a long period of time, it will build up in the slime coat, and then you don't get it. I've used it and I've loved it, and I'd sell the crap out of it because I thought that it worked and it helped. But, I mean, yeah, there is no scientific stuff, but I've seen it work in my tanks, and he's looking at me like I'm an idiot.

It sounds like voodoo black magic to me.

I'm going to buy one of those garlic things on strings. Just send it to adam's house.

No. Hang it in your tank. Float it in there.

Put a cross behind. See if it peers their souls.

Okay. So I've got a question, Dr. Fish. Why is robbie's clown loach have bloodstrikes in its tail?

That's a good one.

His clown loach has been acting differently. I sit next to the same tank every week.

Honestly, it's something that came up. I think it's just one of them that has the real issue.

Yeah. Anyway, I watched him kind of start acting strangely a couple of weeks ago, and now today, he's got little blood streaks. If you look really hard.

Well, first we're going to treat with salt and then do a water change, and then doctors are going to recommend something else.

Typically, when you see blood streaks in the finish, that's typically a bacterial infection. What type of bacterial infection is hard to say, unfortunately.

So what, would you treat anything with this or just a whole bunch runs its course?

Yeah, I would just really good water changes, high water quality, good food and see what happens. Unfortunately, that would be the best route for right now.

Also, I did some more homework. I wanted to prove my other theory. So when I was a kid, right, I grew up with a lot of vegetarians, and they just believe that you should take garlic pills every day. And these people, like, you see them at church, you see them wherever, and they just reach. They think of garlic in their breath, their skin, like, in their hair, like, they smell like garlic. People, you know, these type of hippies I'm talking about. So growing up, I'm a fat kid with all positive, right? I got the good stuff and I get just mauled by mosquitoes. That is our state bird. So I decided, like, all right, people say I'm not seeing these weird hippie garlic eaters do it. So I decided to put garlic, chives and all my stuff, take a bunch of garlic pills until I was of the same smell of these people. My mother hated it. I did it for like a few months in the summer during peak mosquito season, and mosquitoes seem to be leaving me alone. Now I'm finding out that mosquito there's, like, hippie mosquito spray used with garlic because apparently it's toxic and you have to according to the research, you have to consume crazy amounts of garlic before it even affects the mosquitoes blood intake. So maybe we just pack our fish with piles of garlic. We'll have no results whatsoever.

Money well spent.

Money well spent. All right. How do you forcefully breed fish?

I'm not watching that.

No, we'll pass. There willard.

Okay. I think he's trying to meme, but I think this came from a real question on how do you induce breeding for specifically carp? But that was a pretty funny way of doing it, I'm not going to lie.

That's going to be injections of one of the chemicals we were discussing earlier.

Well, I've seen because I've even seen, like, some of the corporate's that are part of the cocoa and they just wait for girth female they squeeze into a bowl and squeeze the milk. I mean, it's like two squeeze processes. So are you saying like, hormones to get that going?

Correct? Yeah, get them egged up and then you'll milk them. And then you'll milk the mail and mix it yourself with the way you go.

And it's pretty easy. You assume that there's something to it. It really isn't. When they're really gravid with eggs, it's a light squeeze and they just spill out. It's not a lot of work. All right, next question.

Just wrong people.

I mean, that was a good way of doing it.

So what you did this afternoon. I got my fish off.

I'm telling you, we still got jimmy, you and I still got to do that pornhub account.

No, we're not doing a porn hub account.

No, we're going to do a pornhub account with just like molly's and Guppies just going at it and then just put music to the background. I'm telling you, it'll make a lot of money.

They do have donkeys and horses doing that.

No, definitely not. No, this is just fish. All right, next up, Jim.

I'm pretty sure that's not on pornhub. Jim.

It is, trust me.

Oh, man. Can you talk about IC and why it's the only deadly to fish and enclosed ecosystems, like fish tanks, but in the wild, it's practically harmless to fish? Aka, can you talk about the lifecycle of IC in the wild?

Well, I think we discussed this on the first doctor fish, but, yeah, when you're in an enclosed environment, there's nowhere for those ick to go. They're going to go on your fish. They're an obligate parasite. They must have a fish to live. They don't have a fish within 48 hours of their feeding, they're done. They die. Out in the wild, you've got millions and millions of gallons of water for the fish to go wherever it wants to go. In a fish tank, that's where they have to go. So that's the quick answer on that one.

All right, so we have a couple of joke ones I'm going to skip, but they're worth reading because they're funny. Does collecting wild juvenile fish decimate the seagull population? All right, next one would be, what type of water do farms keep libraries in? Is it something special?

No, nothing special. And that's going to depend on the grower themselves. Every grower has their own little secrets. Some of the growers will use well water mixed with creek water, depending on if they have access to that. At our farm, we use our well water mixed with ro water to try to manipulate the PH little bit.

Next question. How much truth is there in higher temperature raising fry faster, higher temp water?

It's going to increase the metabolism of the fish when you increase the temperature, so I suppose that would grow them faster.

I mean, we're warm blooded species, so we're going to stay relatively the same temperature regardless of how dumb we are, and go outside. But these things are really affected by their environment. That's why it's so crucial keeping the temperature within a ten degree range. And a lot of fish is because their metabolisms are so affected. So if you're having higher temperature, I mean, the narrative there is that they're going to eat more, they're going to grow faster. I mean, even we talk with Steve or vicki. He keeps a lot of his older angels cold on purpose, just to essentially make them, quote, unquote, last longer, because.

He keeps three different tiers of tanks and he heats the room. And so, of course, the bottom tanks are much not much, but they are cooler than the top tanks. So he'll keep some of his breeders down there.

So I got one for me. How do I not get algae when I add sticks from the outside? Boil the crap out of them, bake them. But sticks are hard because they can light on fire in your oven. So, I mean, the best way to boil them, honestly, boil them. Salt them. Yeah, roll them in salt. Boil them. Boys. pretend that you're going to serve them to mom unless you have something better.

Doctor no, that's some great advice. I suggest also if you like to use peat in your filter or something like that, I suggest baking it or even microwaving it before you ever put it in your filter sock or whatnot. mycobacterium can live in the heat even though it's dried out.

I've seen people actually purchase old toaster ovens from their thrift store just to make sure that they can do it outside on a cement floor in case something goes haywire and they light something on fire. Then it's not going to cost them a whole lot of money and they do it safely. But yeah, I think even like one of the old dust and fish tanks YouTube videos, he was like bacon shit in a toaster oven.

Could you take the peat moss and freeze it? Would that take care of some of the problems if you put in a.

Freezer for I would say heat is better than cold for stuff like that. Definitely.

I mean, if that was the case, we'd have no bacteria blooms in the spring in our lakes and streams.

Actually, the flashpoint of wood is 572 degrees. So if you were to do like a slow, low roast in your oven.

Well, I'm worried more. So a stick falls off a baking sheet, falls on a coil, burns down a house. They sue aquarium guys, and we all go to jail. So don't do that.

No, you're going to jail.

Responsible for anything.

We are not responsible. These are vague recommendations, and some aren't even recommendations. pontifications, we need a lawyer as well as HR. Jimmy.

We'Re going to have a meeting with HR here very shortly, so you guys might want to pull up your pants and get ready for a kick in the nuts.

All right, so I'm going through here. Could you safely bleach treat septicemia and fish?

What? No.

Next question.

I got I'm reading it honestly here. That one's there. Septicemia is treated by antibiotics. There, he answered that one. There you go.

Yes.

What would bleach be a medication for? blurry octopus.

When Adam has them clearing your tank of viruses and mycobacterium, it also makes your bright bleach. Enough bleach is going to kill damn well, anything that you want to kill that includes your fish.

Maybe this person should so they don't procreate.

I like this one. Bleach is affect your treatment for life?

Yes, it is.

If you're dating that certain someone and you're not quite sure of their background, maybe you want to go home and just take a bath and bleach when you're done.

Well, I'm glad they actually put some background to this because we have so many questions on this. Like, hey, don't ask me. Someone lives literally gave me this advice to use Bleach treat on another server, and it wasn't even a joke. Wow. Because the person lives in Canada and can't get regular fish meds. He says he uses bleach often. No.

Well, there are certain kinds of quote unquote bleach.

We need more information. That's what we need to get.

Yeah, because chloramine tea is technically a type of bleach, and it's used for food fish and tropical fish, but not at levels that are going to disinfect or sterilize much lower levels. And basically it's just they're just oxidizers.

All right, so some of the questions here that we have to skip.

So it's kind of like Canadian bleach kind of has the same effect of their dollar versus our dollar. It's just much weaker.

It is a little bit weaker. Kids don't drink it as often. Again, a couple of questions we have to skip. And they put a lot of comedy questions in here, like, are you able to turn your fish nocturnal? How hard is it to really make your bashir terrestrial? Silly questions we're going to skip. But good effort, guys. They actually put, like, a lot of advice for this. Most important thing. In my opinion, it would be changing the feeding time to 03:00 a.m., all experience. Other experiences may differ.

Why do you want to turn to your fish nocturnal? Because you're up all night partying, too, right?

Do you have any? Okay, here's here's a good one for you, Doctor. What tank and requirements do you recommend for poontang?

That's fine. Lots and lots of money.

Lots and lots of money.

Lots of money. Very expensive fish.

And then have Ted nugget come by and say, wang dang, sweet dang.

Very expensive fish. Any decent tank that is responsibly, soak clean driving things. A good parent. No. Next question. There's a couple of them, like, what is this fish? And they show, like, some saltwater glass fish. That was reidentified. All right, I think we caught up with questions. We're going to go back to the aquarium, guys, discord and finish up.

There was a lot of pontaine question there, wasn't there?

I had to cut all the puntang questions out. I figured we just highlighted once and that's good enough for Dr. Fish tonight. All right, this is a happy episode.

Does Cigarettes Farm sell that yellow tank, blue tank pool?

They got a sale on poon.

No.

Okay, no, but hear me out, right? No, it's not. No. We're going to call Sandy after the podcast.

No, we're not.

We're going to say, hey, Sandy, can you do us a favor. Can you say the aquarium guys special puntang on special price this month and just see if you get anybody calling about it?

Yeah, let's not piss off sandy.

Love you, sandy.

I don't think that's happening. Hey.

All right. When you're hearing this, just consider it right? We're happy to advertise for free.

Could you cross a regal tang with a blue tang? Like the regular dory type tang crossing fit?

When you're talking cross genus, that doesn't always work, but obviously with the stertles, it can happen. Okay.

I saw a zombie that would be.

Kind of a cool fish. So if you crossed like a dory with like a regal or like a powder blue and a blue tang, that'd be kind of pretty.

It'D be something for sure. anyways, more questions. So I got ten out of synchronous the other day. Within six days of being in quarantine, all of them got yellow patches on their head and passed away. No other fish are in quarantine at any signs of anything within the past four days. Also, a lot of the ottos behaved normally, ate normally until I would find them swimming with the fishes. What gives? Why did the 30 plus guppies not catch anything? Well, number one, I want to know how big this tank is. Like, if you got ten auto synclis and 30 guppies, you got to be a hefty boy and get a big boy tank.

Ten gallons might be what have you.

Seen that gives them yellow heads and then they swim with the fishes.

So all fishes have differences in susceptibility to parasites, pathogens, water quality itself. Some fishes tolerate conditions or infections that others can't possibly that the otis inklets were already immunocompromised and got a secondary bacterial infection, which is what that sounds like, but also could been a protest issue. That's why having a microscope is really important for what we do at seacrest because there's a lot of diseases that can present themselves in the same way. Sometimes I'll be like, I know that fish has x problem with it. Break out the scope, do some fin clips, deal clips that parasite or pathogen isn't there. It's something completely different. So it happens. And then with otisynclus, they're not the hardest fish to begin with, especially the supply chain that they have to come through. They're in transit a long time from the time they're captured or grown and then shipper. And then your bottom dwelling fish are always going to have a better chance of getting sick just because of the opportunistic, pathogens and parasites that are in the water and hang down at the bottom.

All right, next question. How many tanks? Excuse me, we answered that one before. Cannot using a heater in florida's AC controlled environments cause any medical conditions and illnesses to fish in these aquariums?

If your ambient temperature change is big enough to actually change the temperature of the water quickly, that could be issues but in most parts of Florida, I don't think that's going to be a problem.

And honestly, bigger is better because let's say you had that extreme deal where you left the house, your nest, thermostat kicked off for some reason, your maid opened all your windows and now it's 102 degrees. When it was 64, you're 55. Your 125 gallon tanks are still going to change temperature a lot slower, thicker glass, more water. It takes time versus like a 20 gallon, ten gallon or five. Man, the moment the sunshine hits it, that thing is going to roast.

Definitely agreed.

There better question is there a way to keep my angels from being sexually attracted to my heaters?

Dress your heater differently.

Honestly, if you put your heater like a vertical, they're just asking you to get raped.

Right.

You have to lay them horizontal low in your tank so then they're not going to get screwed with.

Either that or get a couple of slates and lean up against the heater and then they will be sexually stretched to that slate and lay their eggs there.

And we should make a t shirt like angel fish is like making sexual advances to a heater.

Yeah, that will sell really well.

I buy it. I wear that hoodie all day, twice on tuesdays. In the rare case that he gets stumped, such as identifying strange illnesses, how does he find answers to his questions? Being the guy with all the answers is nice until you have to question yourself.

Hours and hours of reading and looking at fish, leaning on my mentors and my colleagues. Google Scholar is a great source.

Medical fish publications, finding great communities like discord and other forums. Occasionally you can get bad advice there, too, like treating with bleach. We've learned that today. What is the oddest oddball you've had to work with at seagars Farms?

Julie.

Julie. Poor Julie.

I'll tell you that the hardest thing I find the hardest thing to work with is some of the marine adverts urchins, stuff like that. Whole different ballgame than fish.

This past week on National Geographic, they've been running a special and showing all the things in the ocean and the reefs down in the southern hemisphere. And they had some incredible stuff on the long spiny urchins and the one fish that will eat them. It was incredible watching these things in the wild. Those long fish, spiny urchins, some of them had twelve to 16 inch spikes on them. Incredible. But if you want to see some really cool stuff, national Geographic has been running it all week. I wish I remembered and wrote down what the titles were. But just incredible photography and just very educational. So I encourage anybody to check that out.

That's cool.

All right, here's a question for everybody. What is the most bulletproof fish that you've ever experienced? I'm talking about one species. No treatment, prevention, acclimation when bringing in wild stock. What is bulletproof I'm going to ask Jimmy first.

I've got that cement goldfish out in my front yard.

That thing is not going to lie. Rock solid.

Rock solid. Hasn't got ick. Doesn't care about the snow or the wind or the rain.

Don't give a damn, not even a little bit. All right. How about you, Adam?

Besides my endlers?

Besides your endlers, your feeder.

Got the best luck I've actually had is wild blue rams.

The bolivians.

They're not even German.

Not bolivians like the ram cichlids that are wild caught.

So are wild caught blue rams a lot less aggressive because they're not German?

No.

Do they speak funnier?

They speak with Spanish. An argentinian.

Didn't madonna do a song about that? Don't leave me, Argentina.

I'm going to go either convict cichlids or dojo loaches. The reason dojo loaches is because literally you can throw them in like frozen lakes and they'll thrive. They're most bulletproof things ever. I've had it where they're living in no water. It's crazy. And convicts, I know that you're not supposed to keep them low temperatures, but honestly, when have you ever had a convict not thrive? They'll thrive in a toilet.

They breed in toilet.

Honestly, a guy actually had a toilet tank. I saw online that he was having convicts breed in just for the sake of the joke, like what's the toilet doing in the middle of your room? Open the lid. Convicts. What's yours, Dr. Fish?

It's pseudotrophia cichlids, pretty much any of them. They're really solid, hard to kill, tolerate any kind of water you throw at them, eat whatever you throw in there. That happens to be my favorite fish anyway. labia trophy, specifically. But the malawi and buna are pretty solid.

So I think we need to give an honorable mention to an icon. Through the podcast Charlie the catfish, we told a story about how he was in six months of two inch water. We didn't even know he was there. A complete blackness, no food, 50 degrees. And six months later like, oh, we got to go take the stuff out of a warehouse. And then there he is, still alive somehow. So he lived for years after that. We sent him to West Virginia with dear friend dabby. dabby had him for a long time and he finally passed away after all these years.

Jimmy, that's because somebody fed him and cared for him, right?

He got love, he felt compassion. He released the hate and then gave it all away.

They killed him with kindness.

That's right.

Killed him with kindness.

Those people in North Virginia.

All right, here's the one that I got submitted in. How do you know if you're dealing with a slow killing columnarius strain? I think I said that correctly. Are there any specific signs or symptoms that would confirm it is not culminarious? I can send you that word. Make sure I'm not butchering it columnaris.

Thank you. Unfortunately, a confirmed diagnosis of columnars you. Need to do a wet mount for, which is you take your microscope slide to get a clip of the fan, or just scrape the fan or the skin and then put the slide on top of the COVID slip on top of the microscope slide and look under it. The cool thing about columnars, it's a bacteria that you know exactly which bacteria it is just by looking at it. You don't have to have a bacterial ID done because they form these large haystack formations, what we call haystacks, and they're flexing rod bacteria. Not only do they wave back and forth on their haystacks, but they actually flex. And when they're making more bacteria, they'll flex, flex, flex, and then flip a bacteria out. And then that bacteria goes out and it starts slitting and makes another haystack somewhere else.

I would pay, like, $10 for someone to narrate that.

I'm going to have a nightmare tonight about that.

This will be on YouTube to someone like, no, don't do it, Charlie. And it just flicks another haystack out.

Unfortunately, as I mentioned a little bit before, there's a lot of bacteria that can cause what looks to be a columnaris infection. A lot of the opportunistic bacteria in the environment all the time can cause lesions to look at, and there are some protests that can also cause that type of lesion.

Got you. So the next one down the list that we have is not necessarily a question. I think it's more of a shout out. One of the aquarium guy fans was apparently talking to another fan. Apparently, he feels like he's learned a lot from the doctor, so he took a little clip of his test text messages back and forth with him, and it says, I don't think my water was hot enough either. I'm adding salt plus raising the temp. Going to order medicine and do a full cleanse. And you just want to give a shout out to his favorite fish doctor.

Awesome.

Okay, now we're going to get to the favorite part of the show, and I think this is where we're going to finish things up. I don't know if you've had time to listen to our podcast, Doctor. You are very busy. You've had to deal with COVID You have children. So we had an episode that we did for fun since we've been gone, and we've gotten a lot of flack for it. And it was us trying to do basically I don't want to say making fun, but poking fun at the podcasts that do all these conspiracy theories, right? You've heard a ton of them. There's murder mysteries, paranormal, but we're picking on the conspiracy theorists out there. So we did our own aquarium guys version of conspiracy theories, and we went through a lot of different topics, right? And the grand finale, besides the dolphin diddling, which Jimmy was very much into, let me tell you, he could not get enough of that but after that we had this video and it was only explained as the creepiest thing I've seen since doing this podcast. Now the way to explain it, we can thank the guys at the community tank for this content, specifically spiritual. The fish shout out to you there is what's called Mauan sweetwater. M-U-A-N. Sweetwater. Now what this is, it's a YouTube video. And Doctor, I want you to watch this video with us live on the podcast tonight because it's just creepy. So to give you a little background, this is a video. Let me make sure I'm getting the correct one here. Here we go. I'll find the video here to give you background. This is a video that we found online and it was frankly disturbing. What it depicts is fresh and saltwater species of all kinds put together in all these different tanks. I mean, every kind you've heard of like guppies going can go in saltwater. It's not really recommended, but we're talking like sensitive fish species. It was really, really crazy and uncomfortable to watch. Like, how are they doing this? Are they somehow harming the fish? We don't know. And shortly after we did this thing, talking about the conspiracy of it, trying to give our best depictions of it, they removed the video from YouTube.

That's actually pretty amazing. We don't know what to make of it.

There you go, Doctor. Enjoy this. Now again, they took down the video. I still have the original link. And they also took on their website. But they talked about how well, I'm going to let you do the video. First you go to do the video and we'll play it on our end. I'm going to mute that just for copyright purposes in case we want to get hit by YouTube again. So going through this video, it was crazy because I even slowed down the frames to see if there's any, like that PH burn that you commonly see when you do fresh into salt water on accident or do too much. There was no stress on these fish that I could find, no haze over the eyes. I even wanted to make sure that for some reason, maybe the tanks were layered. Like, for instance, they have a salt water right behind a freshwater and they try to make it some sort of optical illusion. But the problem is the fish are swimming around each other in a lot of these clips. And I'm going to frame for frame on these things. Right. They got severrums with a trigger fish. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

What country was this from?

This is in Korea. It's South Korea. Now that you're going through this and I'm just seeing your face, your face is just you're having a small aneurysm like we were. I mean, honestly.

Yeah, that's crazy.

It's a lot. And it's basically set up. This is an institution, a building somehow set up as, like, proof, biblical proof of sweetwater, which is apparently some biblical verse. And again, they took down the website, but they were claiming that they have to treat the water. They have apparently pastors or preachers come in and bless water changes on a regular basis, all kinds of craziness and how the miracle of sweetwater could benefit your health and your life and this whole thing. They had a number we called into. It was a legit number. It was like a week and a half after we aired the episode. They took everything down.

It just disappeared.

Right. But luckily, the people that helped us find this which again, this is a discovery from the community tank spiritual, the fish, they actually save copies so what you're looking at is a direct re upload of the videos they took down.

You got yellow tanks swimming with discus, carp, goldfish swimming with blue tanks, all.

In the same tanks I'm looking for different pieces to see how fresh these tanks are because they're pretty clean, right? But again, I'm doing frame for frame shots here I'm seeing algae in the background a couple of the decorations have some dirt on them like there's some growth like it's been in the tank a little while a lot of the power heads have certain black algae growing on them it's common for saltwater aquariums, right? So I don't know what type of salinity mixture they did for so many species I mean, clown knife fish, alligator gar along with saltwater puffers like craziness stuff you really haven't seen I have.

Noticed that all the freshwater fish that they are showing are definitely fish that would do just fine and very hard water right? Not saying that that means that we're not seeing any neon tetras or cardinal tetras but there's discus, there are discus but if they were tank raised and have never seen low phs then that really wouldn't matter.

Still though, I've yet to see discus do that it's not that it can't.

But I think you could probably find a happy medium in there, honestly, for most of those fish on the freshwater side now on the marine side, I don't have an answer for it for.

You there you're saying it's a miracle.

It's a miracle. So what I want you to do, Doctor, is it's a lot to go through. It's four minutes and 20 seconds of footage and there's a lot of species here, there's suckers even like some bait species, there's all kinds of craziness, right? I want you to go through this and really maybe share it with some of your friends, some of your colleagues, blow up those secret forward lists, see what's up and see what they say because it's bizarre, man, it's bizarre, it is.

I've never seen anything like that and.

Yeah, the call lines were like, come in, learn more about again, is there a religious wonderful work of how the sweet water maintained I'm not going to crab on religion, but I need to know how they're doing this, honestly.

Yeah. For the first water portion, a lot of those fish within time, could be moved over to at least brackish, but I really don't have an answer as to how they're keeping those saltwater fish that happy.

I just don't know. Even oscars, I mean, they can take some, but nothing compared to what they got. Just seeing, like, there is a line of delicate fish that they put along with the discus. I don't know if that one was special, but they got peacock cichlids. That's another hardwater species.

Yeah, they'll tolerate damn near anything.

Still a lot, but no. So initially, that's your first thoughts, but if you come up with anything else, we need to know this. Like, any other thoughts on this, because this is just a crazy thing. And we'll have this video linked for you in the description if you're listening to this podcast on your own.

Yeah, that's cool.

We would like you to get one set up at seagris Farm so we can come down and see it.

Yeah, sure. I'll jump right on that.

Now, if you notice, there's no corals or anemones either.

No, there's not.

And there's clownfish. Like, their clownfish are, like, gathering around cups. Like they're acclimated to something bright already, like they've been in there a while.

Yeah, that's some crazy stuff there.

What kind of things would you expect to see with the marine fish if they were actually in a less than optimal situation? Say all the freshwater fish are acclimated. What would you see if you were to take those other marine fish and put them in that kind of situation?

Typically, they're going to act like they want to be out of the water, or they're going to be very lethargic one direction or the other. Typically.

What do you see out of that? That's off base? Do they look like they're all comfortable to you?

I mean, they're feeding, for crying out loud. In school.

Yeah, those fish all look fairly happy to me, if not amazingly happy.

I see a trigger. Right. A trigger fish right next to a sizable koi. koi don't give a crap. They'll mouth anything, including tank mates. I'm just imagining, like, how many chunks after this video were taken out of the koi just by coming up in the trigger fish's face.

Yeah, that's another thing.

It's another Christmas miracle.

Well, Doctor, please do your homework. Send that in. We need to know, man. We need your colleagues. Send this over. And if you need any other information we do have some information. Scrape from the website, and we did talk about it on our conspiracy episode number 49. If you want to listen to some of the debauchery we talked about in that episode and dolphin diddling. Sure.

Nobody needs to hear that. Nobody needs I'm amazed HR didn't rip you a new one for that one.

Didn't you get the letter or we have an appointment scheduled.

We do have an appointment scheduled, HR. So put on your big boy pants and your crash helmet.

Crash helmet.

I don't think it's going to be good.

Okay.

Well, doc, you got anything else for us or any notes on that crazy video?

No, just enjoy being with you all again. Happy to do it whenever. And keep it on.

If you got questions, submit them on our website, aquariumgistpodcast.com. On the website, we have our discord Please market for Dr. Fish if you want his answer on it. Otherwise, again, we'll find experts if we can't find them. We already got a little bit of homework from this episode, so do that. And big thank you to seagris Farms for loaning us james, we appreciate your time, buddy.

Yeah. Say, cyrus. Do the best.

There you go. Jimmy, you got anything for us?

No, I just want to highlight what we learned today. And that was more tanks, more salt, and less bleach.

Less bleach overall, less bleach. Adam, you got something for us?

No, thank you.

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