Hey, everybody. It's Jim colby from the current Guys podcast. Today, I want to share some sad news with you. As many of you know, our friend Julie from Secrets Farms. julie's had a loss in her life. julie's spouse, Gene cannon, has passed away from a stroke. And this happened several weeks ago. And we'd like to step up and try to help out the family. So what we're doing is we started the gofundme, and you'll be able to find that on the podcast notes. What they're trying to do is they're using a company called the eternal Reef. What they do is they take the ashes from the deceased, mix it with cement, and they put it out in the Tampa Bay area to become a permanent coral reef. Those are her final wishes. So what we're hoping that you could do is step up, throw in $5, $10, help this cause to an end of a very sad, sad thing that's happened. Sorry, I was going to tear up a little bit.

You'll see in the show notes, the gofundme link. Please consider donating. We'll miss eugene. Normally, this would be the spot where we have an ad for Joe Shrimp shack.com, which, by the way, you can still save 15% off using promo code aquarium Guys at checkout. But we decided to take this time and joe's money and sponsor a bit of the Ditchery Do solo for you. So, Jim, take it away. You could do it, buddy. This did you reduce? compliments of Joe shrimp shack.com. Let's kick that podcast. Welcome to the Aquarium Guys podcast with your host, Jim colby and Rob dolson.

Hey, guys.

Welcome to the podcast. Tonight, we are guests. We have to be in our best behavior. Jimmy all right.

I put on clean underwear.

You're actually wearing pants for the podcast?

I did, because I didn't know we might have new people looking in, and I wanted to be socially appropriate.

Pants, extra pair of socks. You even did your hair.

Clean underwear.

I'm pretty excited. Well, we are in the different discord today. We are visiting aquatic affinity. They are a community of fish keepers that generally base their stuff out of a discord, much like our fan base does, but also have a website, aquaticaffinfinity.org. And thanks so much for having us come, zook. Just take a minute. You're one of the head admins here. If you just want to say a piece about you and your organization.

Hello. My name is zook. You might hear them call me zucchini in our server. We're all about trying to help people who are new to the hobby. Did not expect that immediately. I'm sorry.

Hey, you got the floor. No rush here. No pressure.

No pressure. Don't screw this up, whatever you do.

Yeah.

It's a pleasure to have you guys. Super excited. A little nervous. Pretty nervous.

Not going to lie. I'm sure we'll do our best to be as polite as possible. Jimmy again, they'll be telling us to.

Fluke off in no time.

There is no reason to put anything but our best foot forward. So tonight, why we're in aquatic affinity is because they gathered together this week and brought together a bunch of their favorite questions for Dr.

Fish.

And again, Dr. Fish is in the house. James, you are the head of Seagris Health, and it is a pleasure having you on. This is the fourth episode. You got to be getting sick of us by now.

Absolutely not. I love being here.

So that was the right answer.

He's smiley. He's wearing a bright orange Seagris shirt. Tonight, he's on par and ready to go.

All right.

Yeah.

Special thanks to Seagriss Farms for allowing dr Fish to come on and help us out. Monthly is what we've been trying to do now, and it's been a wonderful experience, and we get a lot of questions answered. We do repeat a few questions now and again. So if you've heard some of these questions asked before, we apologize, but we have new listeners every week, and we just want to make sure everybody's covered. So, again, thanks to Secrets Farms. Thanks to Sandy Moore for allowing this to happen, and we really appreciate your time. James, thank you.

Yeah, thanks for having me. It's been a blast each and every time. Happy to be here.

For final introductions, I'm your host, rob's olsen.

I'm Jim colby.

And I'm Adam ella Shire.

Holy crap. He showed up.

We got him.

All right.

And he sounds good tonight.

He does. He seems sexy.

He does, as always. But we still got to do a couple of updates. James has been too long. Do you have any news in your world, in life since we last talked?

It's still business. Crazy business. So business is up all over in aquatics, so it's been actually hard to fill all of our orders. Just banging away.

Got you. Last time we talked, we had a video, and you said that you did some homework for us. The video, and again, we'll have show notes. Maybe someone of our listeners can share the YouTube video, but it was about maui. sweetwater. And the idea was just to preface for those that have no clue what we're talking about, there was a video that we found where they were claiming that the power of Christ, in so many words and phrases, was blessing the water to both handle fresh and saltwater creatures. And they had basically their own public aquarium. This was in South Korea, a public aquarium showing hard saltwater and freshwater species all blended in the same tanks. It was something we've never seen before. The video went on for, like, four to six minutes, and it showed a ton of details. And the fish it was very hard to photoshop that you could see fish shadowing on top of each other, just the craze amount of fish it had everything from discus to trigger fish. I mean, everything in all these tanks, it was truly something creepy that we don't understand. And the whole idea behind this was some sort of religious advertisement to come see their church and talk to them more about it because again, they blessed the water. Now the water can sustain any life according to what they said. So have you come up with any facts on that one?

Yes, actually I have in a roundabout way. It took quite a bit of searching through the inner webs there, but found another video from aqua rama in 2009 was showing the same thing. Okay. That led me to a couple of websites, which led me to the origin of what was called Wonderwater. And it was actually a product that cordon was making back in the basically it's a blend of monosaccharides and polysaccharides that make it freshwater, sustainable for marine fish.

You're kidding.

No.

Wonder water. And it's a product made in the 50s.

It was they never really brought it to market to the hobbyist level because they couldn't convince people to keep the proper fish together. Because you go throwing your typical freshwater fish into a tank with reef fish, not a good outcome.

I'm so just blown away by this. So is there any recreation where we can purchase some of this? What's exactly in it?

They do not say. There's a really good story about it on the cordon website, though.

And what I'll do is I'll get these links and information from doc here and put them in the show notes in the podcast so people can do their own research. But 1950s product called Wonderwater never really released the public. Somehow these guys got a hold of it and now they're somehow sustaining salt water in fresh and moving forward.

It seemed to work. I mean, the fish looked healthy. They didn't look stressed out.

They were full colored and you certainly tell they're holding. They're not just like doing shots and moving the camera quick. They were holding those fish and the amount of movement and they didn't look stressed at all full color.

They were feeding, feeding very well. Yeah, it was very interesting and it was quite a shock to see. But it's fun to find out that there actually is a logical explanation behind this, even though we don't know the concoction of the stuff that they put in there, but it actually has been done.

Yeah. And like I said, the most recent evidence I could find of it being used, of course it wasn't under the cordon name, was at aqua rama. I think they were calling it miracle water there or something like that.

And were you able to purchase this off the back of a comic book next to the sea monkeys miracle water.

There or something like that? Sea monkeys is what I was growing up.

So apparently we have now broke since we were in this server with aquatic affinity, we have broke the discord channel limits. So for those that want to listen in, we're live on twitch TV Aquarium. Guys, if you want to listen in live, you can see us, the whole thing there'll be on the live chat in the comments.

And just remember, beautiful people are on TV and ugly people are on podcasts. We don't need any comments about what Rob and I look like here.

I know I'm not out there today.

I know you're the man candy of the whole bunch. So that's pretty sad for everybody.

I'm going to post it into the announcements.

Wonderful. I appreciate you guys accommodating us like that. All right, so, Jimmy, you had a question that you brought to the table, and then we'll get into some of the fan submissions, and then we'll get into this wonderful communities line of questions.

Perfect. Yeah, I've got a couple of questions. I've got two questions. I got a phone call today from somebody who gave her my number, and her question was, I've got a goldfish, and it got the belly up every once in a while, up on top, and then it swims down, it floats back to the top. And I was trying to explain to her about swim bladder issues, and we've talked about this in the past. She tried feeding peas to it, and I said, maybe you'll try some duckweed, but can you just go over real quick what the few things that you can do for these goldfish and have swim bladder issues?

The peas thing typically works. It doesn't always. Unfortunately. It's really going to depend on what the source of the issue is. If it's an actual systemic bacterial infection that can cause it and very little to do there other than some broad spectrum antibiotic in a food fashion. But also you can try soaking in some epsom salt sometimes that one as well.

Otherwise I know the other scenarios. And this is a rare case because there's not a ton of fish veterinarians that we have.

Are you talking about burping the fish again?

No. Taking a syringe needle and actually pulling out some air out of the bladder directly. Now, I don't recommend this for only professionals because let's say it's just a normal swim bladder case where normal remedies or time should fix it. You could easily kill your fish, puncture the swim bladder and have it rep of a rupture. There's a lot of real things infection, definitely don't do it on your own. Definitely leave it too professional. But that is an option that I see some people do with bigger koi or pond goldfish that they want to spend a lot of money on and have that procedurally done. If nothing else works.

This was a gal that had this goldfish knoll, of course, for seven, eight years and stuff. What is in the peas? What's the word I'm looking for? Duckweed?

Well fiber, jimmy.

Fiber.

No, I'm kidding. What you got for a stock.

Honestly, I'm not sure exactly what causes that. Something I probably should know. I really don't know why it does work, but I've seen it work before, and I've seen it not work before, unfortunately.

I've heard some people suggest that their diet is too high a protein. It's causing a lot of different levels in the fish's system to go haywire. And then again, when your body is out of whack, your swim bladder is the first thing for a fish to be hit, so to speak. And just having a little bit more plant matter in their diet tries to clear out some things, but not like they're constipated and suddenly their swim bladder goes, that's not the point. But, yeah, I'd love to know exactly what that would be. More homework for Dr.

Fish.

I'm going to give her some duckweed that I've got it and see if that helps her at all because she tried the peas and the fish wouldn't eat it. So I told her to put peas in with the carrots.

Well, duckweed is delicious because peas and carrots are delicious.

Did you tell her to take the skin off the pea?

Yeah, she did that. And the fish wouldn't look at it usually.

I've never had any problems with that before.

Yeah.

So I have one other question, and Adam and I have been wondering about this. We are hearing that the Us. Government is not that far away from approving some sort of chemical to use a tropical fish that will keep most of your guppies all male. Do you know what that is?

They are working on legalizing methyl testosterone for use in fish. So our fish not just food fish, tropical fish. Correct.

Okay.

And Adam, you have some questions about that, too, because you and I were talking about it before.

Okay.

So one of the questions I had was, does this turn I'm assuming it doesn't have 100% success rate, right?

Correct.

So what happens to the female fish? Are they sterile or are they what we call in leopard, geckos and reptiles, hot females where they'll act like a male, they'll bulk up like a male, but they won't be a male. But they won't have kids.

Yeah. In the past, we've called those mules a lot of the times. Okay. I suppose that could happen. I don't really work on the breeding side, so I really can't answer as to what would happen with those fish. But the way I understand it, it's just going to make the males, make the spawn throw more males.

And for those people who are out there wondering why you want more males, can you explain to people why we want more males in the hobby?

Because one male can fertilize a lot of females, right? Yeah. And you can pass on more genetic more of the genetic traits they're expressed more in the males. So you can see what's going on, really, designing your fish the way you want to.

And the other thing, too, for people, if you own a pet store and you're selling guppies, most people want the males because they're the most colorful and so they're usually in a little bit more demand except for people who are breeding.

A lot of stores only provide males just because of the sake of that. Most people just want to buy, oh, I'll have two females and then I'll get eight males, which eight males will harass two females to death and people don't need to keep a ratio. Well, I don't want the ugly female, a tank full of those and then two males and people just don't get it and let their fish get abused. So any other questions from you gentlemen before we kick into the that was the messages of the show.

That was all I had. I just like buttoned in front of the line and stuff. All right, start out with the other questions.

I'm going to get off topic. We got a review this week. It says five stars, super nice content, good guy humor. I feel like a fly on the wall as a woman sometimes. I like the content, has variety for all interests. Thank you, guys. And that is from Canada.

Your mom's in Canada now.

She is not.

Okay.

I was just not that border is closed, Jimmy.

That border is closer is closed. Well, thank you very much for the nice review. Yeah, I'm sorry we don't have a female perspective on here, but sometimes Rob yells at me long enough, I get kind of weepy. So there you go.

I could just try to raise my voice and pretend to be Rebecca.

There you go.

All right.

I was going to say, isn't Rob kind of sometimes naggy like your ex wife did?

He does there you go.

For Christmas. What I'm getting robbed this year is I'm going to get handrails installed in my butt because he rides my butt so much. It's for his safety so he doesn't fall off when he's riding me off.

I just like the view. All right. I just like the view.

All right. There's more man humor for me.

There you go. So we have a text message from the UK. I could not text them back because apparently our Google voice service doesn't allow us to message them back. So to Josh in the UK, this is from you. Hi, Robbie and the guys. I got a question I've never answered before and I'd like to know, is it possible to parameter shock again? I'm going to do this for Doctor. I saved this one for Doctor. Is it possible to parameter shock biological filtration bacteria into a mass die off similar to how you can parameter shock a fish?

Absolutely. Typically the most resident species of nitrofires in your freshwater aquarium. If you're living even in the sevens, low sevens, even sixes, all the way up to the higher ranges, once you hit about 5.5 PH, they're just going to shut down. They don't really die, but they kind of go dormant and they don't want to feed and your ammonia will go crazy.

So the next part of this is in this case, I have crystal red shrimp and I want to change the neocardenia. After removing the crystal shrimp would rapidly change PH from 6.4 to 7.5 and the hardiness would almost be nothing of GH of nine. kh would be four. Nothing to kill the filter bacteria. Question mark. Or would the filter bacteria be just fine in that scenario?

You should be fine on that. No, it's PH dependent.

Perfect. That's a great question. Wish out of that.

Yeah, it is.

Brownie points for Josh in the UK. Just because I can't text him back and I feel bad. All right, so that concludes the emails and other messages that we've had through the week. Again, shout out to Aquaticaffinity.org. This is the community that we're live in tonight. And all these questions are from the community members. They've been sending messages into the board all night long. So directly from the top, let's start getting into this in big ways. Jimmy, you want to read this first one?

All right, here's the first one. And this is from zook. This is from zook. She said, I'm writing an article on freshwater diseases for aquarium affinity and was wondering when psynotic disease pose a threat that people should know about, aside from fish, tuberculosis, just I'm considering writing a separate psynotic disease article.

Many zoonotic pathogens out there in the hobby, so bacteria are probably your biggest one. Multiple. Multiple.

And bacteria is just like a huge category, like you're throwing dice because you don't know what's actually going to be put from that or is there specific kinds that you see pretty commonly from zonotic issues?

Transfer, vibrio, which is the genus that causes cholera. vibrio, cholera being the specific species of bacteria. There's also fungal infections that people can get from aquariums. So always best to anytime you're working your aquarium, always use good hygiene. When you're done, wash your hands snapping water.

Now, I do have a follow up question for this one. I know we're going to get it already and we've actually got it in the past and I've chose to ignore it. But let's say that you're at jimmy's place, right, and he has an indoor pond. One of his guests get wicked trashed and they end up naked in his pond. Is it possible that it has happened that sexually transmitted diseases can be carried in your aquarium or pond?

Rob, give him my fish herpes is what he wants to know, right?

He has the same look that he gave me when I told him that garlic worked.

See, I was like, Why am I here?

I say, I know there are zonota diseases that come from fish to humans. I do not know of any zonoka diseases that go from humans to fish.

Darn. I tried. Boys, if you're hooking up with your.

Koi, you're probably good.

You haven't been to that?

No, I'm not endorsing that whatsoever.

Oh, man. Well, Rob made me read the hard question.

Well, what we're going to do is we'll take turns. Adam there's a channel above us. It's Dr. Fish questions.

Make him read the next.

And we are like, four questions down. willard's, the next question, do you see it there in the row of there?

Adam just from the top. Holy shit.

So go all the way to the top. We're going from top down, and it should be the fourth question down.

We'll have to do some editing here.

Are there any safe ways to have hormones? Add hormones to my tank so my fish get horny.

We're not holding back on you tonight. We're giving you all the good questions.

Horny fish.

I feel like you should just put an example. I always like to pick on siamese algae eaters because siamese algae eaters don't commonly, especially not in ways to replicate. Easy enough breed in the hobby, they.

Give you the cold shoulder.

So for that instance, we'll use that as an example for you. Doc, what hormones do they use to make them horny?

You have to condition them first.

Little berry white foreplay.

No, you have to get your fish all conditioned before you can just go randomly squirting hormones in there.

Yeah, you got to take them out. You got to take them out in the night of the town, buy them dinner. Buy them dinner. Tell them they're pretty, serenade them.

Yeah. gonadotropins are what they typically use when they're trying to spawn fish. They call it injection spawning. And they'll actually go in there and shoot them up the way they go.

And where does one find this, like, horny.com? I mean, where do you find no, don't go there.

Lonelyfishfarmers.com. There you go.

Companies like sigma aldridge would have gnatotropens.

And do you need a license to have those?

I'd imagine some there will be we don't do any injection spawning at seacrest, but there are farms around us that do quite a bit of it.

Do you need a license for that?

I do not believe they have to have a special license. No.

Well, I mean, I'm assuming all farming procedures are state per state, so we're asking about Florida specifically. So if you don't know, then you probably can do it.

Yeah, I'm not aware of them having to apply to get any special license to have that chemical. Now, whether the company will sell it to you is a whole different story.

So, Jimmy, we are going to be speaking with the Ftffa here in a future pilot. So we will ask them, because I know they're a co op that helps a bunch of fish farmers and collective of fish farmers together. So he should be able to answer if they stock chemical, if you have to have a license for it. All those questions, we'll beg that one.

Jerry is a great guy. I imagine that's probably who you're going to be speaking with. I think it's David boozer out every week. Oh, David.

Yes.

Sweet.

All right, so I'll do the next question. Adam, follow along because we're going to share these questions here. So the next one is from gabe. What risks are posed by the use of antibiotics in the aquarium setting in regards of antibiotic resistant bacteria? Do we have to worry about such things?

Yeah, absolutely. That's a multifold issue. Not only do you have to worry about bacterial parasites in your system becoming resistant to the antibiotics, there's also the antibiotics getting into the environment and causing other issues.

So it's like a double concern. Like for humans, they talk about anti, antibiotic resistant bacteria like mrsa stuff in hospitals. And we have to worry about some things that we get in contact with that we touch and then also in our person. But with aquariums, fish are in their own petri dish. That's where they live. It's not just their system. It's literally a botanical of slurry that you need to worry about. So only use antibiotics if you absolutely must. And always try to seek your best professional help from either a community, preferably a veterinarian. But again, most of us have to be at least our best effort fish doctors on our own.

Yeah, absolutely. So recently, in the past few years, it's become such a problem, not as much with fish, but with other food animals, pigs and chickens. They were actually using antibiotics in their feed to boost their growth rate and instead of treating them for diseases. And that got into the environment, of course. And they've recently passed a veterinary feed directive. So it's almost like having a prescription for antibiotics and feed, but it's not an actual prescription, but it might as well be.

Got you. Well, for the next question, hit that up. Jimmy.

Which one?

In the blue there highlighted for you.

Let me see. Oh, my God.

You got to use your glasses.

Well, that one the color. Throw me up.

This is how I find out. jimmy's, color blend.

Oh, my God. Why do you give me this one? I hate snails.

All right.

Is it okay to purposely put pest snails with the plants you sell?

So I think I need to reclarify this question because I've been asked this before in a few different ways. So just to purposely put what you consider as a pest nail with your plants to be a dick, not cool. For those to leave certain snails with plants that you sell intentionally, as long as you're communicating that to who you're selling them to or notify them, that, hey, AsTris there's probably snails in my plants to let them know ahead of time. That's the ethical thing. I purposely when I have new fishkeepers come over, I give them plants. I say here's a couple of ramshorn snails that are on them. They'll help you out in the long run. They're a good snail to have. These are what bad snails look like. squish those. And it's a bit of an education thing. But do you see any of that being done in marketing or what's? Some options for snail free plants that you see at Seagris?

Our end, we try to send our plants 100% snail free, and if we're shipping out of the country or something like that, we'll actually dip them. We'll dip them in bleach and a very light, very light bleach solution.

What bleach solution mixture would you recommend?

I don't have it off the top of my head. It's written down. It's a secret bleach.

It's a secret. I used to use a big bleach mixture, but then I moved to actually chlorine tabs. Have you used those personally?

No, because we've got the twelve and a half percent bleach right at the farm.

The good shed.

Yeah. And the liquid forms, so it just takes a little bit. If I had to guess, I'm going to say it's only like ten mils to three gallons, I think, but don't quote me on that.

Perfect.

And so you just take the plants before, especially when you're sending it out of the country, you take the plants and give them a quick, what, five second dip?

Yes, correct.

And will that kill any snails that may possibly be on there, or eggs, too?

Well, mostly we're targeting the eggs, the snails. We're pretty much going to see them unless they're itty bitty tiny, and then we thoroughly rinse them as well, actually soak them and soak them and then rinse them.

Well, adam, you got that next question.

All right.

What meds would you recommend using to use as a precautionary measure with super sensitive wild caught liquor scrummies? I've always done just salt for my other fish, but from what I've heard, it'll make the water too hard for them and kill them. That's actually a really good one.

That's from willard.

Yeah.

That'S still going to be preventative wise. That's still going to be my best bet. Maybe not as strong as tds level, but still it's still going to be salt for preventative.

Doctor, I would like to take a moment here and just tell you so we just put out the first rendition of the aquarium guys merch line. You can find it again, it's in the show notes. Certainly. Check it out. Jimmy, Adam and I all have a promo code, so again, promo code. robs adam Jimmy for 5%. Off to pick your favorite aquarium guy. Host but we're also wanting to include you here in the next round here, Doc. We want to get a couple of T shirts, and one of them, we want just a picture of salt sprinkling over an aquarium. That's going to be the next design just for you. I.

Just want to let you know that awesome.

Why can't we just have him also saying you need more tanks?

Need more tanks. You definitely need more tanks.

There's just too many T shirt ideas. We have to pick our favorites. And I think salt is certainly the best one for Doc.

I was going to say, when I read that question along with Adam, I'm thinking to myself, well, first you need a new tank to quarantine that licorice. grammy.

I do have a question that is sort of related, that is with this question, could you try all salt is basically the same, but like, say you wanted to throw in I'm just throwing out ideas here, like himalayan pink sea salt. Would that make any much of a difference? Would that mess with anything? You know, how there's different, like Celtic sea salt? You're giving me that look again, and.

I don't no, I just want to make it tasty.

Sea salt for the most part is going to be just sea salt.

Okay.

Now, if you're trying to make a tank for some roughly cyclists or something like that, then yeah, you may want to customize your sodium chloride, your magnesium chloride, your different salts. But when you're talking sea salt, sea salt is pretty much sea salt.

Okay.

How about garlic salt?

No lolleries either. I think that might be too much garlic. What if your fish's tank smells like garlic?

It will kill your vampire crabs. Adam.

Adam is the one that loves the garlic guard. I do. And I thought, well, garlic salt should work for Adam.

That's just because he smells like that.

I do not smell like garlic salt.

You smell like kombucha. You weirdo.

All right, so next question. We had a private message to me asking about saltwater dips and how to do them and what are the risks. So this comes from a lot of instructions, and I've done this to fish in the past. When you see a fish specifically with fungus, you see a lot of guides and instructions to make a saltwater mixture in a separate bucket, dip your fish into them. It's a very high concentration of salt, far surpasses even like saltwater aquarium. Again, it is a dip. So how would you do that? What are some of the risks associated in doing that?

You're definitely going to shock the fish, but you're hoping that the shock is not more than the benefit of any parasite you might be knocking off. Full strength seawater is fine to use. I don't suggest going over that. And it's an eyes on thing. Even if you've done it a hundred times with one species of fish, you always have to stay right there. You dip the fish until the best way to do it is you dip them until they start to float and not seem right, and then you immediately put them back into their water.

So I had an extreme case, and this is for me recently, I have a full grown bala shark, and the shark continually, like, he's very skittish in the middle of the night. Like he'll jump and hit the glass continually. And there's always like little marks on his nose and whatnot. But of course, over time, beat yourself up enough, you're going to get some issues on the scales and face and eyes. And sure enough, I had a full on fungus bloom on him. So I took him out, dipped him and it shocked him to where he was stiff dead. He just literally wouldn't move. I put him back in the aquarium, and for those that are having problems trying to figure out how to do like a cpr with your fish, you take your fish, keep them in the position as though they were swimming, and gently hold them and move them back and forth in the water. And that allows them to have water be pushed through their gill plate. And he revived. I'm looking at him right now and sure enough, it cleared up all the issues. But now I see he jumped again and he's got some more scars on his nose. So I'm feeling like I'm going to be having to do some salt dips.

Are you going to be doing this again with your yeah, it's literally, I.

Hate to say that motion, like a jerk off motion, but that's literally enough. Just a little bit back and forth so he can get watered his gill plates. And that's the best recovery.

You should have done that with your stingray.

Yeah, no, that's too soon.

That's too soon. But have you had issues? Fish just absolutely flatlining. Real quick, too. Like it was a dunk. He took a gasp and then just went stiff. Like it was crazy.

Not really. Now, those fish, for other reasons, I've had some really odd experiences with bally sharks and once when I first started working at seacrest, they were back then we called picking fish and sucking shit. But that's when we did everything. We did it all. We put the fish away, we picked the fish, we boxed the fish. We all got in the line and put the fish on the truck in boxes. It was pretty cool. But we got the shipment of bayless sharks in and I opened up the box just like normal. As soon as the lid comes open, all the ball of sharks hit the top of the bag and died, every one of them.

Whoa. That's a lot.

It was amazing. And it was so sad and I nearly cried.

Well, you should have cpr jerked them, you know what I mean?

No, they were goners. They were done.

Nothing will get them back up.

Wow. What do you do?

So part two of this question I have you can do a freshwater dip on saltwater fish.

I've done. Absolutely, yes. Actually, very important. Something we do with all of our Atlantic fish that come through our marine department.

That's just the same way you do it.

Yes. Say you do it in the same fashion. The big thing with that, though, you do need to make sure your PH is really close. You want to make sure it's pretty close with your freshwater fish, too, but it's not as imperative. But you definitely want to make sure that the freshwater dip that you're using has the same PH as the marine tank. Yeah, you just have to eyes on always, and as soon as they start to show signs of stress, that's when you want to remove them from that dip.

You had said that you do it for all the Atlantic fish. You don't freshwater dip the Pacific fish.

We do targeted dips on the Pacific fish, mostly just because they're a lot more stressed when they come in because they've been shipped for so much longer. The Atlantic stuff is really close, so not as much of an issue. And for whatever reason, we actually see more flukes on the Atlantic fish, and that's one of the primary reasons to freshwater dip your marine fish.

Good to know.

Well, Jimmy, you got that next question highlighted.

So willer wants us to ask you, how do you correctly bleach dip a fish? Correctly?

So I want this whole heartedly answered here.

I get this a lot correctly bleach dip a fish and then put them in batter.

We're being serious here. We get this question a ton all the time.

There are actually, I guess you could call them bleach. There are treatments that are used for disinfection purposes that you can treat while the fish are in there. I don't suggest doing it, but I.

Have not gotten that answer ever. I'm actually shocked that there's actually a couple of treatments where you would use it. I would say, what, 99.9% of times? Don't be dumb and bleach your fish.

Yes, absolutely.

0.1% of time you want to consult a veterinarian?

Yes. There are a couple of products out there that could broadly be considered a bleach that are actually aquarium treatment.

Don't bleach your fish. We're going to try to glean a question out of this one because this is quite the multiparagraph. I'm quite curious about broad or not so broad range of intelligent of fish behavior and fish personality. Very simple. Fish spend most of their lives and all of their time feeding, schooling, and showing, apparently sleeping. But animals only need very simple brains and nervous systems to achieve these tasks. For example, long term memory might not be very important for a nomadic school of filter feeding fish. As a result, they may not display any interesting behavior outside their typical activities. A predator fish, on the other hand, might actually benefit from better memory, problem solving skills so they can hunt and outsmart and intelligent prey. These kinds of fish are, I think, more likely to display a broader range of individual personality. Has this been true in your experience, or do you see these quote unquote feed fishing fish have a lot of character and personality as well. So I think this is specifically brought towards you in your background. So many years at seacrest farms, and seeing all the hundreds of different types of fish come through, you get to see a broader range of behavior for them. And, yeah, definitely an interesting question.

So the question is, is an oscar smarter than a feeder goldfish? Is that what it is?

Do you see more personality in an oscar than a feeder goldfish?

Sure.

And what exceptions are there for smaller, shoaling fish?

Yeah, it'd be 100% anecdotal, but I.

Feel like you need a fish psychiatry degree for that.

Yeah, fish behavior is a whole different realm. It's even less studied than fish health, which is in its infancy still, honestly, compared to humans and stuff. So I'm sure there are some fish behavior experts out there that definitely have some actual hard data on stuff like that. But.

Let'S change the question.

I don't know that they have more personality now if they have problem solving skills and stuff like that. I would definitely say, once again, anecdotally, but just for my observation, I'd say there are definitely fishes that have better problem solving skills than others. Just watching them at seagris, figuring out how to feed and stuff.

Well, let's change the question, and I.

Bet ellison knows those are smarter.

Let's change the question and pick two, then. What do you think is the fish that's the most intelligent fish you've ever seen? And what's the damn dumbest?

I'd say the most intelligent gent fish are the archer fish.

And would you let them do your taxes?

No.

So why with the archer fish.

Spitting the water out of the water, up onto the leaves to knock bugs down into the water? That's pretty, pretty darn smart.

And what's the dumbest variety of fish, in your opinion?

I don't know. I'd say one of the one of the ambush predator fish that just sits there and waits for something to swim by and gulps it down.

See, I'm going to take a crack at this one.

That sounds like you.

The correct answer is endless. I mean, feeder guppies.

Feeder guppies?

Yeah.

I'm thinking more of the predatory or the predatory fish that sits there and just waits for food. That's kind of like rob.

That's opportunistic. That's not dumb. rob's fat and happy for a reason, because he's big brand lazy.

There you go.

Brand. All right, adam, you get the next one.

Okay. Why do black goldfish generally slowly lose their black color before they die? I've seen this happen a couple of times. Longest transition time was about two years, and that goldfish was at least eight before it started to change color.

Who. I want to answer it, but I'll let doctor.

Yeah, typically, a lot of that is going to be diet and lighting and I've never seen a black, quote unquote, black raunchy line head, even the expensive ones. With time, that color definitely fades. You also have to take into the consideration that the fish that are grown in asia are booku loaded with lots of hormones as well.

So to go off of this, because I've been asked this a couple of other times, and I'm pretty sure that when they say black goldfish, when they go to the 50 cent spot at their local fish store and pick a comet goldfish and it just happens to be black. It's not a breed that's created to be black. It's a goldfish that's common goldfish that it's in its juvenile colors. When goldfish generally are raised, they morph colors down the road, and some of them take years before they actually lose the infancy color in most of these situations as well. I've had batches of like 100 goldfish that you'll get in those scoops and grow them out in a pond, and suddenly there's no black ones left after a year and a half of being out there.

Yeah, that's a very good point. All of them will change their colors as they go, not even just the black ones.

And people talk about black goldfish. Most people are thinking black moors, the black ARANDAS and that sort of thing and stuff. And like the doc said, I have seen where they've less intensity and color, but I think it totally has something to do with the diet and the hormones that they're juiced up with overseas.

Well, even in a lot of these, like, koi competitions you went down to, was it fall show? They actually had the koi show that I go to on an occasion when COVID wasn't happening, and they would have moors that, you know, competed and that they would sell there. And juvenile colors is one thing, but also as a fish ages, like, even koi, they change color as they age. They no longer have that youthful beauty. After eight years, most koi, their colors blend, and they just have an older tone compared to a nice, youthful, young fish. And moors have the same thing. I had a moor for years. It was beautiful black. It was show colors. And then as it aged after having it for years, it started to have a gold tummy. It's just part of aging. Even my cats now are turning white, and they're orange cats because they're old.

Yes.

All right, jimmy, we saved all the good ones for you, apparently. I don't know. I didn't do this, I swear. It's just how it rolls.

So who's that from? knoxville.

Knoxville. knoxville.

He wants to know, does the piss cycle actually work?

So, just to clarify for doctor, the piss cycle, in case you haven't heard it, which I know you have, but to clarify for the audience is to start an aquarium. You have to go through the nitritifying cycle in the tank to start it up. People can either set up a tank, let it sit for a good long amount of time, people add a little bit of fish in there to try to create waste to start the cycle. Otherwise they can purchase a product. They call it bacteria in a bottle to start the cycle artificially on their own. Some people, and I really mean this, really do believe that you can just take a piss in your aquarium and that'll be good enough to start the cycle. So does the piss cycle actually work, Doctor?

I've never tested how much peeing in a tank raises the ammonia level. How about a pool? I would say you'd need to pee in it quite a few times, because you need to get up to about two milligrams per liter of total ammonia before you're really going to be able to start cycling. I'm a proponent of fishless cycling. Just regular parsons. Ammonia. Just throw some in the water, keep measuring it. If you'd like to buy some of the bacteria in a bottle, that's fine, whichever one you choose. We do use some proprietary ones at seacrest ourselves, and so do some farmers. Definitely ammonia does start the nitrogen cycle, so theoretically, I guess you could, but I wouldn't suggest it.

All right? I have some friends that are not to be named. Let me make this clear to me.

Why are you looking at me?

Because I've never questioned you. Read it.

I peed the hot tub when I was drunk a couple of times, but that's it.

You're just starting to cycle. So a couple of guys, they wanted to measure mouth, they set up a 55 gallon aquarium, they got a step ladder, and they took a nice long pee.

Why not peanut cup and just pour.

In after a few a little bit, and the filters stirred everything around. They dip measured to make sure it had the appropriate amount of ammonia. And as gross and bad as that tank smelt, it did, and they just did future water changes in there that are cycled tank. However, don't pee in your tank. It's not worth it, right? We talked about bacteria that you're adding. It's not just adding ammonia. That's disgusting. I don't care the excuse and there was no fish in this tank when they did it. I can't explain how dumb peeing in your tank is, but I get that all the time. People ask me, hey, can I actually pee in my tank? tactically, but don't do it, all right? It's dumb.

Cigarettes farm sells a couple of different bacteria in a bottle. I saw two of them today on the list. They're relatively inexpensive. They go a long, long ways. You also can go to your pet smarts, your pet cos, the world. They also sell that. But just remember that if your bacteria in a bottle freezes, it's basically useless, all right?

Yeah. And another thing on that, dry nitrifiers really don't exist. There are some dry products that will feed your nitrofires and really boost them. But if it's not a liquid, then it's not going to promote nitrification.

They're supposedly supposed to be some dry nitrofires that have come out of Asian territories that have worked, but they're not nitrifiers that came out of an aquarium. They're terrestrial. And as much as they'll eat the ammonia and start the process, they are not going to live in your tank long term and it's just limping through until your normal nitrification is done.

I'd agree with that statement. Yes, definitely.

All right, so I'm going to take the next couple of questions. Just because they kind of all reside in each other, because we've gone down a rabbit hole now, doesn't matter what I drink for a piss to cycle my tank. I'm not going to get into that. I'm not a doctor. All right, don't do Mountain dew, straight water. Alcohol.

Willard beer, lots of alcohol.

Vodka. vodka. You know, we've, we've, we've heard people tried to start their tanks with vodka.

So don't listen to any of these fools. Don't pee in your tank. All right? Can I drink my fish water? Yes or no, doctor?

Absolutely not.

Why not?

I think they should.

Pathogens.

Pathogens. All right, we talked about that enough.

If you have to ask, you should just go ahead and do it.

We talked about it.

That's what I'm saying.

And while you're drinking your fish tank water, also take a blow dryer and holding your hand and just see if you electrocute it.

It says in clerical notes underneath it's scratched out, it says, and if so, what are the health benefits or detriments? Also, just let me sell my tank water.

Here's what you could do. You could sell your tank water from cycle changes to people that want to use it for like a fertilizer and stuff, as long as it doesn't have any medicines in it, right?

Or you could tell your little neighborhood kid it's Red Bull, right?

I don't know if you've heard this craze. It's mentioned here in the next thing of gamer girl water. So the idea is these popular streamers, and this is for the people that are listening that stay out of the internet lifestyle. If you go on twitch, the normal people on twitch are video gamers, content creators, all kinds of stuff. But then there's like attractive women that are sitting there just talking to guys, getting their attentions and trying to milk money from people. And there happened to just be some people that decided that they're going to sell as a product their bathwater to what they call simps. People that would decide that this person is attractive, hence they're going to get attention. What? That's a real thing? It's a real product. People sell their bathwater. So I'm just saying, if you're going to do like some random strangers bathwater versus your aquarium water, they both have their risks. That's a hard decision to think about.

I would save your money on bathwater and I would go over to Japan where you can buy women's panties in a vending machine. That's me.

All right, moving on. Moving on.

I kind of want these people that want to drink tank water to sit in a bathtub full of candirus. Is that a possibility?

With a blow dryer in her hand?

You should offer that.

I'm going to. Can you give me some candy?

No, I can't.

I've heard some super old school fish keepers throw around stuff like sunlight will keep fish healthy and that makes them less prone to diseases. Do you think it's true? And if so, should we be keeping fish outside by windows or with uvb lights over the tanks?

A little bit of both. I would not keep my tank by the window. You're going to die with algae. You're also going to have to deal with temperature fluctuations quite a bit. Yeah. There is some truth to fish needing sunlight. People don't do too well without getting sunlight every once in a while, too.

Have they ever measured the uvb rays in an aquarium? How deep? uvb goes in aquariums? Because I know that they measured it for lizards and stuff.

Well, it's so hard.

I'm sure it's been done. That's not my specialty, though.

There's so many things that affect it. The PH is one of them. But just the tenants or how dirty your water is, how you're filtering it can adjust, really how far that penetrates, a lot of factors to consider. I think that even if they had tests, I don't think it would be something conclusive. There used to be a rule of thumb that I saw on a couple of fishboards that you have to keep fish of the same continent together, otherwise they'll kill each other. As just a rule of thumb. Rule. I've heard of it. I don't agree with it. Instead, do your homework about how fish aggression, size and environment work. But do you have any other rule of thumbs or do you somehow believe in this? Doctor.

If you're a full on biotope type person, obviously you're not going to want to keep South American fishes with Old World cichlids and New World cichlids in some people's minds don't mix. But it's not like there aren't regions in those continents that are similar and that you could keep fish together. That's more of a personal thing. As long as you're not stretching the parameters of those fish too far.

Is mixing kale for the yellow pigment ziaxanthin in your fish? Is normal food actually effective in brightening their natural yellow color?

So astisanthan maybe the term you were reading and that is true, carotenoids help with that as well. That's going to be your reds and your yellows.

So that goes in the same effect as people that eat tons and tons of carrots will turn a little bit orange. Kind of the same thought process yeah.

It'S the the carotenoids, the betacarotenes and stuff like that. And astozanthans help with yellows and reds.

Cool. All right. So the next one is hey, everyone, I had a lemon tetra I rescued from a crayfish. The crayfish managed to eat the fish's tail to his body. Will it grow back or what's the best course of action? This is from pmh 4783.

It depends on the tank mates for one. Number one, if it's a lonely lemon tetra and it's still moving around, okay, it doesn't have an active infection at the wound site. And then I'd say you're good to go. Let it live out the rest of its days. But if it's in a tank where it's tank mates are going to pick on it because it's half a fish now, then you may want to go ahead and euthanize the poor guy.

I found that you're going to hate me for this one. Taking the fish and dipping it's a nub and salt can help in certain situations because the problem is scarring that's the issues I have now, they can shit up with other stuff like certain catfish. It'll burn off Barbles if you left in a long time. Like you can't have cory doras and expect just to dump salts directly in your tank without dissolving it first. You'll burn them. But in a situation such as that, I've had a fish where literally it had stuff that went on missing the back tail, and I took the nub, put it in literally dry salt, just like you would poke it in there, put it back in the tank, and it encouraged growth.

For one, it's going to kill any secondary bacteria that are there. So that's not actually such a bad idea. Potassium permanganate can also be used in that method. You make a slurry of the potassium and dab it right directly on the wound. It's pretty much doing the same thing chemically cauterizing, basically, rather than burning cauterization. Yeah, like I said, I mean, if the fish is still it's not going to grow a tailback. Unfortunately, if it's down to the paddockle, I mean, it's down to the padonkle.

I don't want to point out the obvious here, but didn't you guys slap a tail on a dolphin down there in Florida, put in the aquarium?

Certainly did. Winter. The dolphin.

That's right. And I was there about three years ago and stopped and saw Winter the Dolphin. And man, that dolphin gets around pretty damn good with that tail.

Yeah, prosthetic tail. It's amazing.

So do that to your tetra, go out and give yourself a prosthetic tail. I'm just saying.

We're going to see pictures now from kids are going to be like, oh, Mike Fish lost his tail, and they're going to superglue foam on the end of it just because of you.

No, you have to use your 3d printer.

Okay.

It's because of Disney, that's why.

Thanks, Disney. All right, your next question jimmy, what.

Are the benefits and the drawbacks of feeding saltwater food to my malawi cichlids?

Not much, honestly. Now the other direction, you don't want to do so much. Freshwater fish can pretty much digest anything that comes from the ocean. Saltwater fish are not good at getting nutrients out of things that come from the freshwater.

Wonderful.

So this one specifically, that last one was from Mr. Pink. One five eight, by the way. This one is from a hardcore ramen lover. How long have you been in the aquarium? hobby for doctor?

Since I was very young, actually. I just had a birthday, and my mom does this thing where she posts three pictures for your birthday, and one of them was when I had a giant blonde afro and I was probably six years old, and I'm sitting in front of my favorite tank. 40 plus years, we'll say lifelong.

Yeah, I know. So you kind of skirted that whole issue.

Lifelong.

Lifelong.

All right, Adam, you got the next one.

Yeah.

Are there benefits of exposing fish to diseases and bacteria that they would come in contact with in the wild?

Kind of like you hear about exposing your kids to certain things at the farm just so they have immunities.

I don't endorse that. When you're dealing with tank raised animals, they do have naive immune systems. So sometimes you can get an issue where you put tank raised fishes in with wild caught fishes, and they may get sick, but I'm not going to say subject your animals to something that can make them ill purposely.

I was trying to analyze another question that someone else sent me on the same lines. Just another anecdotal note on that. Most of the time we see the opposite being the case. Take Rummy nose tetras. That's like I like to use an example I bought was it two bags of Rummy nose tetras a bag was 100 each. So 200 romeo tetras they sent me one wild by mistake. Now, I like getting wild, but generally I don't like to mix them, like you said, because we have issues. The problem is a lot of the wild aren't exposed to what's in our aquariums, and the aquariums aren't exposed in the wild. Well, you bring them to the aquarium, so they're not necessarily wild aren't acclimated to aquarium environments. Those rummy nose tetras came out of four to 4.5 PH, and now they have to come in my 6.5 to seven PH and pretend to be acclimated. drip acclimation can only go so far with some of those scenarios. Now, people may appreciate wild, but in that particular situation of the environment, I was going to bring them in, not probably my best choice. So most of the time it's definitely backwards where you want tank rays just because they're more cultured for our environment. Next question. What do I treat internal parasites with? Like, worms? Freshwater environment.

Garlic salt.

I hate to say it.

Heat shake and bake.

I hate to say it, but everybody.

Says garlic, multiple anthematic or dewormers or wormers, whichever term you choose to use out there on the market. Lavamisolf and bendisol. albendazole ivermectin. There's many out there, and you can get most of them at feed stores.

Can people get fish worms?

Just leaches.

Which kind of worms? Like the tapeworms. And the tapeworms. And fish don't go in humans? No. Okay.

But, like, is there any parasite that you know of that could go from a fish to a person?

Not a worm.

You got to excuse Adam. He watches a lot of river monsters where they talk about stuff, crawling up.

People'S peeholes, plenty of zoe noses, but no worms that I know of.

Adam, I was wondering I told you, Adam, just go to the doctor and have them look at it. I told you that twice now.

You got insurance, son. Get a lance.

Yeah, go have the doctor take a peek at it. Am I up next?

You are.

What are the end? All parasites, meaning the ones, if you diagnose, if correctly, to just give up and not even try to help recover the fish. So I think what they're asking is.

Where you just bleach the tank and say, what parasites?

Are you just going to go, screw this, I'm out of here?

Kind of like Adam and blue ring octopus.

There's no cure for Michael. That would be number one on my list. There are some other diseases out there. Now, to diagnose those, you need to be on a higher level, so you'd have to actually send them out. khv koi herpes virus is not very not good disease. Spring viremia of carp. that'd be another one. Typically, if it's a notifiable disease, which can be found on the oie website, that's something that's not good to have.

What is the thing that has gone through our koi here in the United States at different farms, at different times that have shut them down?

Koi herpes virus. khv at one time, they were depopulating facilities that had that, but now it's been found to be pretty much endemic in the Us. Now. So they're not suggesting that anymore.

So are they using anything to treat that or they just taking their losses?

No, there's no effective treatment at this point. Unfortunately. Spring vibramia of carp is along the same lines, and they will still depopulate a facility for that disease.

Coy Herbic virus is what wiped out that lake in Minnesota, was it a year and a half ago? An entire big lake in Minnesota. They found a couple of dead goldfish on the beach, and a couple of weeks later, they saw every carp in the entire water body dead on the beaches. They were grabbing hundreds of not native carp, but the ones that were already in the water of brown carp, the traditional common carp, and it completely wiped all carp species from the body of water. So now the DNA have been researching on how to weaponize it to remove carp populations. Because carp is an invasive species in.

Minnesota, they knew that they did that on purpose.

Well, I think that's why they just threw goldfish on the beach between you and me.

So what type of carp or what type of coy is that? Or carp that we see? They call it the Asian carpuration.

Eurasia.

And I mean, I've seen it like on River Monsters and stuff where they're showing they're going down, running electricity into.

The water to keep that's Asian carp.

Yeah.

I thought you meant the ones in Minnesota that's actually Asian carp.

Asian carp, the ones that jump out on your boat. Yeah, I mean, they're actually knocking people out because they jump up when the boat goes through the river system, they'll jump up and you end up with 100 fish in your boat and two of them in your eye.

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I've seen that.

So what's the most evasive species that you guys have down in Florida right now? I mean, I know there for a while.

Pick me.

No, he's from Florida. No.

Retirees from Florida.

Retirees?

Yes, retirees.

Actually, no, because of COVID they're not here anymore.

Yeah.

The lionfish right now is probably the worst, water wise is the most invasive species. But you also have to take into account the walking catfish that have been here forever that almost get no press anymore, but they're terrible for the natural army.

You guys are just one giant melting pot of invasive species. Like, you got snakeheads, you got bowa constrictors, you got name it, and it's somewhere in Florida.

They got really cool monkeys.

There's some monkeys around. iguanas agamas the giant snails that eat.

The drywall in your house.

Yeah, the land snails. Actually, my wife was on CNN during the land snail issue back in I think it was like 90, 89 or 90.

So do they still have a bunch of them or have they pretty much gotten those wiped out?

No, I haven't seen a land snail in years.

Like, how attractive is Anderson Cooper in real life? Oh, excuse me, this is the 90s. It'll probably be worth blitzer.

Never mind.

No one cares. All right, Adam, you got the next one again. That last question that we did about the parasites was from got skilla. The next one is the fish squad. You got that question, Adam?

Yeah.

How do parasites get introduced?

Well, you didn't have depends on the parasite.

Well, we'll have to have more specific questions going forward.

Yeah, it depends on the life cycle of the parasite as to how it would be introduced. Some parasites can be introduced into ponds by bird legs.

I just think that that question came from a COVID society, if you know what I mean.

I think it's like they meet at the parasite motel.

Fish were eating bats and now they're all under at risk. Next one is by fedex. Fed X with the letter X.

What?

Pros and cons are using different types of tank substrate, so I'd like to even turn this up a bit.

No, Jimmy, we're not talking about pro rock.

I'm pro sand. I have now met in the middle and do rock and sand like gravel. What do you recommend, Doctor?

That's personal preference. And make sure whatever you're using isn't going to aggravate the fish. So if you have things that like to live on the bottom, you probably don't want really sharp things on the bottom.

See how he took that political statement? He's not on Team Edward or Jacob.

It's kind of like he asked who he voted for, and he said, I voted for kanye West. Yeah, it didn't offend anybody.

Just like I did.

That's right.

Twice.

Twice, twice. mailed one in and stopped in and did at the end.

All right, Jimmy, answer fish fool's question.

This one's actually a good one.

I worry that some of the hand soaps or antibacterial gels could be unsafe for shrimp or fish. Any recommendation on aquarium safe hand washing?

Absolutely. Soap number one is horrible for fish. Terrible, terrible, terrible. Never clean your tank with soap. Ever. Ever. Water and bleach. And then if you want to make sure there's no bleach in there, you can.

Oh, he's asking for hands.

But never use soap near your tank. That includes on your hands. Make sure they're rinsed really well after you use soap, but before you don't want to use soap. If you want to disinfect your hands before putting them in your tank, just regular old isopropyl alcohol is the best thing you can use. It will not hurt your fish. Any hand sanitizer that is only isopropyl or ethyl alcohol and just a gel, then you're going to be okay with. But if there's no scents, no colors, nothing like that, you want as close to 75% Ethyl or isopropyl.

Now, I want to add to this question, because we had a gentleman that messaged me before. This was a long time ago, and it just dragged my memory. He had a bottle of Swiss Navy water based lubricant that fell into the aquarium, and half of it spilt in.

I don't even want to know how.

It ended up immediately. Well, he might have it in his bedroom. You don't know. I immediately told him, just do water changes and get that stuff out of there. But what are some of the worst things you can get in an aquarium? And does water based lube really matter?

I really don't know about the water based lube. I do know soap is definitely horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible. It is very toxic to fish.

Yeah.

This is Ask Dr. Fish not ask Dr. Ruth. Okay, so pay attention.

Rob, is that a thing? Is there a Ruth?

Show Dr. Ruth I need to grab.

Apparently the next one is from aliens. How should we calculate stocking for our tanks? What is your opinion on the one inch per gallon or one cubic inch per gallon? Except.

I've never been a fan of either of those, really personally. Especially the length one, the cubic one kind of makes some sense if you're actually measuring the real size of the fish rather than just the length of the fish. Because you could have a long skinny fish or you could have a short tall fish. And those fish aren't the same. So those inches aren't the same.

All right, I'm going to give a bad example here and just blow everybody's minds. I'm going to pick two fish and the reason I picked this is just shit on people's theories that the inch per gallon or cubic inch per gallon is a thing. I have a ball of shark that I'm looking at. The ball of shark is what, 14 inches? Jimmy? Give or take, we'll say twelve inches. Right. That ball of shark is going to need a length. He's going to need to have area to swim back and forth. And even then they're jumpers. Clearly mine has a busted up nose and they just, they need that space. They're not going to need a, you know, a 50 tall it's not going to work for them. They're going to need the space. Whereas the same length fish or like a, what are those?

Cooly loaches?

No, no. African butterfly fish do get twelve inches long with a long lace tail. Honestly, you could put those in a 20 gallon tank and they're going to be happy. The way you diagnose a happy butterfly fish is if it sits like a cork in the corner. The moment you feed, it turns on, it hits the food and then it goes back in his corner and is happy because they don't move. They're waiting for prey to show up and when it shows up, they hit it quickly. That's a happy fat fish. It'll be the most boring thing you ever seen in your tank. But happy fat doesn't need a lot of space. Same size fish, ball of shark needs a long place to swim.

Absolutely. Yeah. It's really going to depend on the fish.

I mean, one goldfish will cramp as much as ten neons as far as I'm concerned.

Right.

And you know, you're talking about inches. I mean, you got a coulie loach that's three inches long and you got yourself a fan tail goldfish at three inches long, you know, it is 20 times the fish that that cooley loach is for amount of waste and stuff that will go on in that tank.

Yeah, I just mentioned just size for them to swim and live, not waste at all. That's an entire other equation that adds to the factor. There's too many things to go into it.

Absolutely.

I think this one George.

Jimmy, how often should I totally tear down and clean a tank? substrates, decor et cetera. So, how often should you tear down your tank?

I don't ever suggest tearing down your tank unless you're going to buy more tanks.

That is correct.

There you go.

Best answer the night.

There's no reason to tear down your tank unless you want to change out the color of your gravel or somebody puked in it.

All right, Adam, you got the next one by lando.

Generally, how often should you vacuum substrate?

That's going to depend on the fish and your stocking density, but at least bare minimum once a week. But some tanks are going to require daily, depending on how you keep your fish and how you feed your fish.

See, I'm a guy that has yet to vacuum his substrate and three of his tanks on purpose, because he doesn't leave a lot of waste to sit. And my gravel isn't that dense in the back. And honestly, I want a place to perpetrate a cycle in the tank, and these are my sump tanks, so there's a lot of water going through them, not a lot of permeating to create ammonia style bacteria, so I've yet to vacuum them. So I'm assuming that what you're mentioning is something for a closed system. All it has is a filter in the back, and they're probably have at least two inches of gravel.

Yeah, definitely. I'm talking I think you're on the more advanced hobbyist level.

Next level, Jimmy.

Yeah, your next level, crazy is what you are.

All right, who's next? I think it's me, isn't it? Alien says, should you vacuum substrate at all? There's arguments for that as well, and I say that there's some scenarios where you wouldn't do it as often. Again, I haven't done it for my tank for six months. I probably need to do it, honestly, I should get in there. I shouldn't take out my gravel and wash it, but definitely vacuum goes a long way. How about that one there?

The fish dream?

No, they just ask him his dream fish.

I asked a fish dreamed. I want that answered first.

I don't know, has anybody hooked up.

Fish to, like what is it? emg?

Emg.

You know what I'm saying?

Ekg.

Ekg. There you go.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

Brainwaves. So, again, the question is, what is your dream fish, Doctor?

No, it says dream fish.

I clarified with Mr. webs.

My dream fish. I don't know, trying to figure out how to work a tank into the house, which we haven't had a tank in the house for a long time, but it's going to be for the blue dolphin, catfish. I really dig them.

Does your wife know about this yet? Or is this still on the down low?

No, that's her. She's down with that.

So, this has been approved by the government?

Yes.

I have always found that if you do need assistance with this, it's better to just ask for forgiveness for whatever you're doing before permission absolutely. That's why I have four kids.

Next one is by freddie. Do you have a favorite coral?

Do I have a favorite coral? Yes. No, I've actually never kept a marine tank.

I thought you were going to say crush coral.

I'd like to look at the corals, though. I dig checking them out, watching them.

I like the coral buffet.

It's great. You never kept a marine tank yet. You guys have to take care of it as secrets. Yeah, the irony is real wrong with my joke.

I mean, the corral buffet, the coral buffet, corral coral. Same corrupt, same thing.

Hashtag dad jokes.

Yes. Hey, another question I have for you. I've read this over and over that fish have such a short memory and that they forget whatever they're doing 10 seconds ago. How come every time I put my damn net in, that fish remembers that that net was there last time and takes off running like it's scared as hell? I mean, do you really feel that fish have that sort of a memory?

Wait, doc, hold on.

It's because you no, I'm not naked.

No, it's because your fingers smell like.

Cheese and you're talking about my bad joke. That sucks.

I don't know about fish having short memories. I don't necessarily buy that.

I don't either. I just came off the top of my head here, and I'm sitting here drinking my Mountain dew.

All right, so we have the next question from adam's secret admirer. boxers or briefs?

What?

No, I'm joking. I'm joking. Go ahead and read the next question.

Adam, are there any negatives having live plants in an aquarium?

Did you catch that dog?

No, I can repeat that, Adam. Okay.

Are there any negatives against having live plants in an aquarium?

You can't use as much salt, but it's going to really depend on what you're trying to do with your aquarium.

The only negatives I've ever had with live plants that I didn't like is if you want to catch a fish and you end up tearing your tank up completely. Just trying to catch a dang cooley loach or a Cory catfish that you want to get out of there, because they're either sick or they're being mean or something like that.

Or you have freshwater crayfish that decide that they're a lawn mower. Going to clip it all.

That is cool if you've ever seen that.

A lot of fun.

Lot of fun. All of a sudden, all your plants are floating on top.

All right, that last question is from Pepper.

The next one. Plants can also be more susceptible to water quality changes than fish can at times, too.

See, there's just nothing wrong with it.

So would plants be a good indicator of overall aquarium health?

They can be.

If you see your plants starting to not do well, maybe it might affect your fish also.

You can watch it for sure.

All right, we got a bunch more questions let's try to blow through these as fast as we can just to make sure we're trying to get everybody's. So from Der Kaiser of carrots ask, do I need to worry about GH for my ghost shrimp?

For ghost shrimp, yes. I wouldn't worry about that because they're a quarter.

All right, Jimmy, you get this one by Sam.

Why are lieber guppies becoming weaker compared to, say, ten years ago? Is there a way that we can change this?

And this just gave Jimmy a soapbox.

Well, I just I just personally bought I just bought 300 guppies that are locally bred, and I just ordered another 300 today. And I totally agree with that that the guppies that we're seeing are a lot weaker. And if you can find a good strain locally that somebody's been working with for a while, I've had much better luck.

What do you see in breeding?

See the same thing. And you are correct. Not enough hybrid vigor, not enough new bloodlines being brought in.

Yeah, we've had Steve rubiki from Angels Plus on this program and his wild crossing. He'll take wild angel fish and crossing with his domestic angel fish, and they have so much vigor compared to other angels that you pick up at your stores. And that wild gene certainly helps the whole overall health of the fish.

Absolutely.

Got that. Next question. Adam by Pepper, how should you respond.

To people who claim their beta lived for four years in a bowl? And what's the best way to cure bloat in a beta fish?

I've seen beta's live longer than four years in a bowl. I don't necessarily recommend it, but I have seen it done. The bloat thing is going to depend on what's causing it.

My mother had a beta in I.

Thought you're going to say your mother had bloat.

No, you know those, like, bowls that they put on the wall? They're like a half bowl, but you hang it on the wall. She had one of those for six years, and she got away with it because she would do a water change every two days. I mean, the bowl was about a gallon, and she put it right above the heat register, so the water was, at any given time, 80 degrees. That's how she get by with it. But for the exceptions, yeah, it definitely doesn't extend their lifespan, for sure. All right. Back from de kaiser of carrots. How do I get to the live stream? Well, it is at twitch Dot TV Forward slash Aquariumgeist. Sir, you should come join us and, you know, listen to debauchery live. We try to do these out of our discord at 07:00 P.m. Central, although we are at aquaticaffinity org's discord joined by a very full audience this week. So certainly check it out. Now, this one's for you, Jimmy.

That's a good question. How fast will CorridorAs eat their eggs, if at all? And will ENDLER feeder guppies eat cory eggs.

In my experience, guppies will eat anything that they want to eat as long as something is not chasing them away from it. Don't have experience with cory's eating cory eggs.

There's so many different varieties of CorridorAs. For instance, like our normal bronze corridors versus something like the more finicky black corridor that you don't really see in the hobby. They cost even like wholesale $30 a piece. Very different behaviors. So I'm just going to go with the bread and butter corries. The bronze what we call salt and pepper and albino. Those, in my experience, when I bred them, haven't been the ones eating the eggs. They lay them, they kind of ignore them, and all the other fish eat them. Now, given the opportunity, if you just had just corries in a tank, eventually I'm assuming they would eat them. corris love frozen bloodworms. In fact, almost like carnivorous activity. The moment you put frozen bloodworms in, they go kind of crazy, slurping up little spaghetti noodles. So protein in the tank where eggs are concerned. I've seen them nibble it, but generally the other fish in the tank are more opportunistic.

And so once again, we've decided that ENDLER guppies are the devil feeder guppies.

Do you see that? It was crossed out. endlers feeder guppies. Right.

Okay, you guys are deck.

Next one by pepper. Go ahead and read that one, Adam.

How can you improve the quality of life in older, long, thin beta? And then can plants purchased from a store that keeps life fish with their plants potentially cause ick in a tank?

It's not going to plant? No. So I wouldn't worry about that.

How could you improve the quality of life of grandfather beta?

Yeah. Giving it the best environment you possibly can. I suggest a nice tank for a beta. I don't suggest hanging them in little cubes next to each other so that they flare and go crazy. That's not really good for them. It's very stressful for them. But put it in a nice tank with a filter on it, it's not going to hurt it if you care about the fish.

So for my behavior, because I've been given, like, out of the fish that you donate, number one is goldfish and koi. They'll just drop them off at your door. Everybody in pond season wants to get rid of their goldfish and coy. And every fall, Jimmy and I get buckets of them just given away. Other than that, people always want to get rid of their beta. They just got it because their kid won it somewhere or they bought it at Walmart and they're just kind of done with it. And I get a bunch of betas where you can tell, like, the full fading of color. They have a thicker head. You can definitely tell an old beta from a new beta. And the better things that I do is don't be afraid to have that heat turned up on those betas, not because they're like old arthritic betas, but because they're not encouraged to move. An old fish wants to sit and not be enriched. So take a pen. Don't put it next to another beta to flare up. Take a pen, a black pen, and hold it up to the glass, every blue moon or so. You don't do this all the time to stress out your beta just to get it to flair. If it flares, it seems to hold better activity, in my experience. And I can get a sickly older beta in better shape by making it flare, say, once every few days with a black pen than just a beta that's going to sit still with the same treatment. Also, if you can encourage slow flow in the tank, most people, oh, it's a beta. It's not going to do well. Right now, I'm looking at a 75 gallon aquarium with a bunch of rose line sharks, basami, rainbows, and this thing has an fx four below it blasting some major flow. And I have a long finned veil tail beta that has been probably the most vivacious beta of my life, just trying to fight against that flow. And it's literally the strongest, best beta I've had. And he's probably one of my longer running ones. And flow does not hurt a beta. Put some slow flow in there. It really doesn't encourage some natural behaviors.

And another natural behavior, too, is to feed a baby inler guppies and let it eat feeder guppies, feeder gun.

Thank you.

I keep saying inler guppies.

Those are all great points.

All right. lando says if you slowly add tannons to your tank using those voice from the past. From the past, if you slowly add tenants to your tank using botanicals, we'll lower the PH, have an effect on fish that don't like PH. So low.

How low are you talking, really? Most freshwater fish thrive anywhere between 6.5 and 8.0, and then you've got the fish that like it above 80, and you've got fish that like it below 65.

Let's pick on some of the cichlids that just love that battery acid, you know what I mean? Even those fish tannins from botanicals aren't going to cut the cheese. You're not going to have enough. It's going to be more of an ammonia problem breaking down in your tank and spiking toxic levels than it will ever be tanned, breaking down and lowering your PH to have an effect on fish. And if you want to really believe that, you can talk to my friend Scott from The tint podcast. He has the tannins. Or was it tannen, incorporated? I can't remember the business name off the top of my head. forgive me, Scott, you're going to kill me. But go check out his podcast, The tint. He has everything you need to know about a botanical filled aquarium and how best to do it. You got that one for Pepper there jimmy.

So what if you had tannins in a brackish tank? Salt tendons to raise the PH, but tannins lower that. Would the PH level out or would one trump the other?

Yeah, you're going to be fighting there. There are areas here where we have tan and water flowing right out into the brackish rivers and stuff right down the road from us, but it's not going to lower the PH that much.

And a lot of the brackish tanks, the fish in them are very tolerant. Most of the fish are very tolerant of higher PH if they're a brackish fish in the first place, so I really wouldn't worry about it.

And actually, the tint podcast, he's talking about that on some of the newer episodes, I think in the last couple of weeks, he's making a biotype with brackish tan in aquatics water.

Yeah.

Scott'S not afraid to do anything. He'll try all this stuff, and he is a wonderful wealth of information, so please check him out.

All right, I'm going to pick on one. And this was top secret information because I was doing a lot of research on this doctor. I went to a local CBD farm right in the area and harvested a bunch of CBD leaves, the marijuana leaves.

And by CBD, he means 100% CBD.

That's all we're allowed to grow in Minnesota. They got farmers licenses. I got two friends that have these farms, and they have it tested, the whole thing, and leaves essentially get thrown away or squish just to make more CBD oil. There's not a whole lot of value in the leads. So I took a couple of containers over there, he walked through, and I got to pick out of these stocks that were taller than me, leaves off of them, bring them home, dry them out, and try them as like, why.

Are you looking at me?

Almond leaves. There you go. I think I was trying to think of the name, like almond leaves, right? And I had pretty darn decent results. But I have a problem. See, I use shrimp tanks as my example with neocardenias, figuring the shrimps are more delicate than most of my tanks, especially botanical wise. So I put the leaves in there and they began to break down. Shrimp began to devour them, but the leaves did not hold their same structure and then kind of turned to gooey shit in the tank right as they broke down. They weren't like a katapa leaf and almond leaf and oak leaf. They didn't hold consistency and slowly break down in the tank, releasing tenants. It just kind of took a dump after a few days.

Did your shrimp get the munchies?

You could say that. They devoured leaves for sure, but it's too much of a mess to really condone people to put pot leaves in. But let's say someone's got the thc variety. Is there any risks of getting, like is there toxins that you would. Have to worry about from doing pot leaves of any kind?

That I don't know. I've often thought that it would be a really good idea to try the polyculture and aquaponics with fish and pot. I don't know if anybody's ever tried that.

It's got to be someone somewhere.

Yeah, I don't know.

Somebody'S probably tried it and then forgot what they were doing.

See, I thought I was sitting on a multimillion dollar idea. They got CBD for cats and dogs. They got CBD for, I think now birds, actually. So I figured CBD for shrimp and fish. Come on now. That would have been the greatest idea. But no, it kind of just fell apart and turned to mucky shit.

Were you hoping that the CBD would make them horny and they breed faster?

I just wanted to make a brown water and then had stoners buy pot leaves to put in their aquariums. That would have been a multimillion dollar idea there, Jimmy.

Plus the other problem is that all of a sudden then you got domino's Pizza delivering pizza to your house all the time because the shrimp are ordered right.

You have cinnabon in your aquarium. You don't know what the hell happened.

Tough life you lead here.

You got your guppies going up. Do you say, oh, you got a nickel bag. lando asks what's the most favorable way to acclimate your fish? All circumstances from pet store online ship. Is it drop and plop just as dangerous as slow acclimation for a stress fish from shipping? What's your opinion, Doctor?

Yeah, this is one I think we've covered a couple of times. It's really going to depend on.

Your.

Level of being able to do either. Some fish, more sensitive fish, I would definitely say trip acclimate them. There's some fish that you can put directly in the tank. Just check gauge. That's really a good rule.

My rule of thumb is where did you take it from? If you bought it from a local pet store and you're within 6 hours from your home, drip acclimate always. It doesn't hurt, just do it. I mean, you're not going to have a fish that can be put in there. Just drop and plop, be hurt by drip acclimating. So if you can do it, if you got a fish that's been shipped internationally, it's been in a bag for three days. The moment you cut the seal on that bag, you're going to be having a gaseous release. And that PH is going to crash in that bag immediately. So you need to be prepped and ready to scoop those fish out of the bag. Otherwise you're going to be having a unique flavor on your hand now. Right, Jimmy?

No. When I bring in stuff from the orient and I open up that bag and you smell the gas, I will put am quill in the bag.

There you go.

And I have great success with am.

Quill and then prime there's a lot of different ones you can use.

And then I will drop yes, absolutely.

I will drop drip acclimate into that bag itself for quite a while, but you can tell how long it's been when you open up that bag just from your nose and stuff. But Amquel has worked very well for me, and that was taught to me a long time ago by our friends over in West fargo.

If you don't have it, no, you got to drop and plop.

Yeah. We use an ammonia binder on all of our incoming fish.

And so is that the same thing as Am Quill? Pretty much, yeah. amco is just the brand name that I use.

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Am Quill.

How great would it be? You know how you get those people that used to go door to door and show that your water was too hard and they put it through a mixture and whatnot, and show you how your soft water can be for you? Well, people like, do like, a Billy mays test. Like, here's a bucket of jimmy's urine, and they just put Amcool in it. Look at the fish thriving. Wow.

This one felt in a hurry.

Don't try that at home, kids. All right. You want to do the one by corey Twelve there, Adam?

Yeah. Are some a good idea for freshwater.

If you're trying to increase volume? I suppose so. But as in what sums are a.

Good idea for anything? Come on now. If you can put a sump and afford the extra to build your sump, buy a sump. sumps are just fantastic all the way around. I've seen even people, like, make up these, like, you know, fake beta jars and then put, like, a small trickle system that have, like, a mini sump below, like, have some fun. sumps are a great way to customize your filtration and handle a lot more load. If you have a 55 gallon tank and you have a 20 gallon sump below, you're just adding essentially more equilibrium to your tank to handle more accidents.

There you go.

More accidents.

Jimmy, want to answer Chris crimson's here.

What is your opinion for using carbon in filters? Good idea, bad idea?

It depends. Depends on what you're doing. If you're medicating, then you're going to have to take your carbon out for the most part. Remember, carbon is going to remove odors and colors. So any medication that you can smell or that you can see, carbon is going to take that out. With marine fish, there is some evidence that carbon fines may lead to holding the head and lateral line disease, hlle. So there's that to take into consideration.

Another question I got for you on carbon is how often do you suggest changing the carbon if you are using carbon?

Yeah, that's going to depend on what you're using the carbon for. I would say you should use carbon before the water goes to your tank, and then you really don't need carbon once it's in the tank.

All right. On top of that, are synthetic resins a good alternative to carbon, or are they just not worth it? And this is by Dragneil zarif. Dragneil, there you go.

Yeah. It depends on what you're trying to do with it. softening resins. Once again, you're going to want to do that before the water hits the tank. I know there are some for some of these canister filters. There's some resins and stuff, and carbons you can put in there, but it's really a personal choice.

All right. Are canister filters a good idea for salt water and why?

Like I said, I've personally never kept a marine aquarium at home. Now, we do work with multiple types of filtration at lots of people that have had marine setups. Everybody that I've known that has had a successful marine setup did not use a canister filter. Or the canister filter was for one specific purpose, not as their filtration.

All right, Adam, you got Lando's question.

Will you crash your cycle if you redo all your substrate with brand new substrate?

It can happen. I have seen that happen. You have to remember, not all of your nitrification is taking place in your filter itself. You've got lots of nitrification going on in the substrate. You've got nitrification going on on the glass of the aquarium itself.

I'd say that the two biggest points, of course, is going to be your sponge filter.

Normal.

Hang on. The back filter canister filter wherever that media is normally being held. The second is your gravel. Sand does not hold near the cycle, because, again, penetration through the sand does not happen. It stays very clumped and connected, which is why you have to actually take a stick and sift through your sand every blue moon, just to make sure that you're not getting any anaerobic pockets that get stuck that cannot be released in the sand. Whereas gravel is definitely that biological sponge that's going to hold a good majority of your cycle, which is why am I sticking up your gravel here? Come on now, Jimmy. Go away.

Yeah, you should just take a stick and swirl around on your sand.

It's like that Harry Potter movie. It's like flicking swish or whatever it is.

Yeah, I hate sand. You'll never talk to me in the sand again.

You just hated taking it out.

Yeah.

All right, Jimmy, you got webbs question.

Opinions on having pest corals like zena and pest plants, duckweed hornworth in a tank on purpose.

Well, duckweed and hornworth I have on purpose already, so they're trumped right there. I wouldn't say it's pest just because duckweed you can scoop. It grows so fast. But just like I have duckweed on most of my tanks, I have air bubbles on the bottom that help keep it under control and let light pockets get to the tank. But I think more of the pest corals is a good question. Why would people have those on purpose?

So they can use that laser pulsing xenia. I don't think there's very few things that are as relaxing to me as watching a big mother colony of pulsing xenia. So I wouldn't call those pests.

There you go. Both of them can be described as pests or not pests, depending on who's looking at it.

Just like snails, trumpet snails, suck ramthorn snails are good.

Willard wants to know what would be the benefits of keeping fish in an environment that is not sterile, that has stuff like bugs, leaves and bacteria from the outdoors. We just went over botanicals and how it releases tannins in the water to help with PH and other things in the tank. But I have a firm belief, and so does Scott. Go check out for this one, willard. Listen to the tint man. We can't bump this guy enough. He has like ten to 15 minutes episodes on a podcast. And this guy really gets in hippie style to why tannins and botanicals are necessary in the tank. But I have a firm belief that having those botanical style things like driftwood leaves, pine, alder cones, cholo wood, all not only release those tannins, but also give a place for microbacteria to grow, which do inherently feed your fish and make an overall better nitrifying cycle. I even have a belief that enough of the botanicals out in nature is why ick isn't in the wild. But that's just my theory. Anything to add to that, Doctor?

I like going in natural as far as you can. That's always going to be better for the animals.

Would wild caught tropical fish benefit from allowing slow temp swings? For example, letting a tank with neon tetras get down to 68 to 70 degrees at night?

Not really. In the wild, they're going to migrate to the parts of the river that don't have as much temperature, swing just naturally. That's what they're going to want to do. A daily temp swing is not ideal.

For fish, so the fish will automatically, or I should say, go looking for the warmer water. They'll go into the shallows, they'll go into the areas where the water doesn't flow so quick and they'll actually seek out the warmth. And so they're not looking for cold, they're just looking for constant warmth. Kind of like a single guy.

That's the best one I've ever that's a good one.

There you go.

Now, that being said, there are some species that do benefit to encourage them to breed by doing small daily temperature changes, swings in the tank just to spontaneously get them to spawn. But very few species.

I think a lot of fish will spawn after a water change because of the water temperature. Like it's raining out in the wild. Is that what you see, doc?

It can be. That also PH related. spawning can be very PH related as well as well as light cycle.

Perfect.

Well I think we should pause there. We have a bunch more questions and definitely a bunch more questions flooding in. So what we'll have to do is we'll have to come back to the aquatic affinity group if they'll have us back again. I know we tried to be on our best behavior but didn't succeed. Looking at you Jimmy, I went like hell looking at you. But again thanks to the aquatic affinity@aquaticaffinity.org, check out their community, they have a very full audience tonight and wonderful crew that will help 24 hours a day on their discord. If you got questions otherwise you can certainly check us out. Aaron guyspodcast.com bottom website is our discord link. That's where we normally do our podcast at seven central on mondays. But biggest thanks goes out to you doc for coming on and big, big thanks again to seagrass Farms. If you are a pet store needing some fish, certainly give them a contact, tell them that rob's, Jimmy, Adam and the doc St.

Yeah, I'm very happy to be here again and love to come back.

You know what I really like about the aquatic affinity group is what she told us at the beginning of the podcast and they're here to help people, to help new people and that's why we started this podcast is we want people to get into this hobby and love it as much as we do. And if we don't encourage the younger people in our lives or friends or neighbors or family, everybody's going to get out of this hobby and this is such a wonderful hobby. If we can help each other, man, this is the best thing that we can do for our hobby.

Well if you like what you heard guys certainly go to accordingbus'podcast dot on the website you can give us a few bucks to help keep the lights on. Go see our merch page, it's in the show notes, buy a hoodie, whatever else. Again we like continuing to do the podcast and it does cost for hosting and other things so we do appreciate your support. And tell a friend, tell him to stop having feeder guppies and listen to the Graham guy's podcast. Get some real fish. Love you Adam.

You can go fluke yourself. If anybody wants me to sign anler's thing, I would be more than happy to send them a signature somehow. I'll figure something out with rob's. Oh yeah and use my code, not rob's.

Yeah. Again we have a contest between us all on the merch store. Again, robbz for 5% off, adam or Jimmy all for 5% off. Pick your favorite and if you pick Adam in the lead, I mean that's just shameful.

It is very shameful and it's just sad that Adam really thinks that ENDLER guppies are real. I don't know. Here's where I see inler guppies.

Okay.

Santa claus, tooth fairy, unicorns andler guppies. Same thing. Same thing. So if you want to see some cool merch, we have some cool merch made because we pick on Adam because we like to. And there's, like, phone cases. You can get T shirts and it says ENDLER Guppies and ENDLER scratched out and it says Feeder Guppies. It's been a standing joke we've had on this podcast for the last year and a half, and it's not really a joke because it's true that ENDLER guppies do suck.

We had a gentleman that reach out to us this week. Please, I want to get a hoodie, but I need all three of you to sign it. So he's shipping it to us. We're going to sign it all. And we'll do that really for anyone until we get too busy and full of requests. Yeah, it will happen.

So if you want us to sign a hoodie or something, send a hoodie to us with a $50 bill, cash.

In the pocket, a $50 bill.

And if you, you know, it may come back to you, it may not, and may it may buy a beer for this podcast. We don't know. But it'd be kind of fun for everybody just to see what happens. And maybe Rob will send you some of these crappy marijuana leaves that he had in the bottom of his tank and send it through the postal service and we'll see who goes to jail, you or Rob.

CBD. Rob, it's CBD. James. You got anything for us?

Say Seagris be the best. And thank you very much for having me and be happy to come back anytime you'll have it.

All right, and last notes for zook that's listening in chat.

Nothing here. Just thank you guys so much for showing up. Especially you, doc.

It was wonderful having you guys once again. A thanks to seagrass Farms. A shout out to Sandy Moore for allowing us to steal the good doctor. We really appreciate it and stuff and reach out, help people and do the right thing and buy a new tank.

We'll catch you guys next week. Thanks, guys, for listening to podcast. Please go to your favorite place where podcasts are found, whether it be spotify, itunes, stitcher, wherever they can be found, like subscribe. And make sure you get push notifications directly to your phone so you don't miss great content like this. And then suddenly you'll feel like a little goo dot, like, oh, I would have never caught that had I not felt up every square inch of my plant.

Right?

So many words in that were just wrong.

I mean, you guys can cut that out, make that hilarious. That is all free.

Yeah, you should definitely I was being.

On my best behavior. You guys are insinuating that. Come on now, don't bleach your fish.